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we’re questioning his intelligence now lol? people get so emotionally invested in these draft picks and if they don’t like the prospect things get weirdly personal players say things like this every season its normal

you seldom need “immediate contributors” in the draft and when you do you’re much further along in a build than this team is that’s not why the draft exists

unnamed sources lol why you are sitting on this forum each day obsessively mashing the refresh button if you aren’t giving any credence to any of the prominent insiders that make this forum go? We’ve seen you do it. lets go ahead and mark this post as a delineation point in which you no longer comment on anything that any of the local best reporters have to say, if only so we do not have to endure you pretending to filter out what you want to believe from what you do not want to believe as anything approaching an objective standard Frank Reich wanted Bryce young. That’s backed by the only credible reporting we’ve gotten on the matter. Unnamed sources are now insider journalism works. If you want to masquerade in the fairy tale of your confirmation bias you’re welcome to but you’re going to get challenged on it when you try to spread the misinformation publicly

we’ve heard pretty definitively from outside sources with insider access that Frank Reich was a primary battery behind selecting young your can stick your fingers in your ears and ignore that and peddle conspiracy theories on here but until the individual in question has legitimate counter sourcing then it’s just conspiracy whining to be ignored

Reich had no clue how to draw an offense up for a QB he wanted to draft? this is a pretty terrible post

so here’s the league model: build a veteran offense and once that’s ready to go and is eating your money you get a bunch of first contract guys on defense theres a reason they signed a bunch of veterans on defense this offseason-because once this team is presumably ready to go all in over the next season or two-you can field a competitive team with a well paid offense and cheap athletic rookies who can fly all over the field on defense. anyways the point is that you’ve got to go offense heavy this draft. I’m not worried about defense in this draft. Maybe one guy in the first four picks. Edit: obviously these guys would receive rookie contracts now but would be much closer to reupping in the process overall a couple seasons from now. The big money will likely be thrown at offensive guys in free agency as you saw this past FA period.

it doesn’t even really make sense, Young made heavy use of an explosive vertical threat at Alabama and having one on the field loosens things underneath.

is this meant to be a joke about how the panthers always get plundered in trades? dropping 16 spots for some developmental piece is laughable

It’s better value at a more significant position at a position of need in a good range that will have guys available who got pushed down

he’s explosive out of his breaks, he has a skill set you don’t typically get your hands on in the second round, he uses his head to sell fakes, he has explosiveness to create lots of separation after a misstep. were in the second round, all these guys have knocks against him but he has first round value and offers a tool that you don’t typically find in the second. Getting a Jaylen waddle type dynamo for the QB who played with him.

I’m not really sure where the “he was so great as a rookie” narrative came from. If cj Henderson didn’t exist he would’ve been the goat of that second Tampa game in which he had a number of key whiffs. obviously as a rookie you overlook it but then he was horrid last season. Hes physically talented and the option always exists to kick him inside (or does it?) but I have concerns. He was a key conduit for how bad the line and the offense was last season.

I’m starting to gravitate to Worthy a bit.

without really getting into the weeds on Leggette, the argument that they JUST drafted a H/W/S guy and thus don’t need another one is pretty bad

I mean i thought it was pretty clear from the verbiage I used that I wasn’t laying down hard science but, as you have noted “top 30 at position” seems like a pretty loose definition of success, as does someone’s mere presence on an nfl roster I'm not the type to overrate later picks needing to be stars but I’d define a late first/early second rounder as someone I really want to be a real quality starter

I wasn’t talking about us.

the hit ratio on these high second (and late first) edge types feels like it’s awful, I’ve become really leery of it

the guys 25-40 are generally all really similar, having two picks in that range isn’t too bad and the team is in a position where they are going to have to make up ground on this rebuild, so I probably wouldn’t implode if they turned it down. but an extra 1 to bandage the 2 were missing next season is probably more value in any case I don’t think anyone is actually offering a future 1 for anybody in this class

With 39 in hand a future 1 would be hard to turn down

That’s great but until it’s more commonplace then you’re gonna have a latent advantage for teams that tamper illegally versus teams that don’t. “Legal tampering wasn’t designed to combat tampering, it was acknowledging that you couldn’t fight it and you were forcing the idea of a fair opportunity also I think staying home isn’t quite the same.

the “legal tampering” period is pointless. it was said on the radio that the panthers reached out to Luvu after the burns trade but were told “he had already agreed to a deal.” No, he hadn’t. The contract wasn’t signed. But these handshake agreements these teams are reaching with players are seemingly ironclad, and I cannot recall an example of a player agreeing to sign somewhere before being approached with a better deal and reneging on the deal in hand. i get it, principally, if you agree to do something, it is honorable to do it. But it has completely defeated the point of the “legal tampering” window and effectively free agency just starts a little bit earlier than it did before, and the same teams that were cheating before are cheating now. a proper “legal tampering” window should be nice and quiet, with teams negotiating over the course of the window. The news getting out should lead to the concern that your team may get one upped.

they gave one player a $100 million dollar contract

He always has decent seasons, he’s just completely destroyed his ability to ever really build a name for himself by being a mercenary determined to maximize his dollar value down to the penny every single offseason the guy could’ve gone somewhere and really been a franchise icon but he’s been obsessed with squeezing every drop of money he can, and I guess that’s his prerogative to do. if it were me though, and it isn’t, but if it were, actually embracing a city and being embraced in return and never having to buy my own meal again seems like something worth having he’s a good player.

reminder that the bears wanted Brian burns, could’ve shipped the disgruntled player off then and kept the offensive piece who was already under contract (and loved this team) for your rookie QB

I absolutely theorize that they have some super secret diamond in the rough they’ve discovered that is helping justify these decisions also, every other team has discovered this guy and he will go way before the panthers

I see what they’re doing by transplanting resources from defense to offense, but this doesn’t really feel like the “we’ve got a rookie QB contract” move ala Jalen Ramsey to rams or tyreek hill to dolphins type. they’re just trying to get to a baseline, interior line is a position you can get great players at early 2nd, and now they’re going to have to take swings at lower % positions in those rounds they were going to have to take chances because they’ve shipped away so many great players for such little in return, but this isn’t a calculated one. Feels more like they’re trying to make a statement about COMMITTING TO OFFENSE or whatever.