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I really just don't know, but he has some shortcomings to overcome...

Some of you are just hateful. Some of it's amusing, but some of it's just lame. If Reich is allowed to stay here, then Bryce will never meet his ceiling. He'll screw him up, which is no tall feat...

Why isn't this thread closed yet?

I agree. But for his injury history, he's a good guy to have. At only 24, he hasn't even hit his prime yet. If he can get over the nagging injuries---which I understand is always a question---then he could be an excellent value at least through next season. And I still say he is a top tier route runner. You can easily see it as the second half of last season. Acquiring Jeudy doesn't necessarily have to do anything with Chark. They both have underperformed relative to their upside. If both can get it together, and stay here, then we'll be good to go. Chark is a legit 4.3 guy with great hands, Jeudy is an excellent route runner with legit 4.4 speed. Mingo is very physical with legit 4.4 speed (just as fast as Jeudy), and also has a lot of upside. That's a good receiving corps with a lot of potential. And I haven't even mentioned the old man Thielen. If a coach can't figure that out and how to put his prized rookie QB into a situation where he can maximize those weapons, and also grow with those weapons, then they don't need to be coaching.

Not quite sure how you're saying that Chark is more of a one "by a lot." Hell, Jeudy has been in the NFL two less seasons and has around 20 less catches and 220 less yards, and a higher yards per average. Chark has great hands, but is not the route runner that Jeudy is. I like Chark, and I hope that he works out here and extends. I don't see why there's even a comparison. Jeudy's presence would just open it up for the other receivers, including Chark. But, let's not pretend that the preponderance of GMs aren't going to pick Jeudy over Chark if it came down to that. But again, Jeudy's presence would help Chark, not hurt him.

I don't generally like referring to people as trash (but I'm succumbing to present culture). That was funny though. No way I'm giving up on Bryce for Kyler. He'll likely cost too much anyway. Let someone else be taken to the woodshed...for a change.

That would be nice, but I don't see them letting Aiyuk go, nor do I see him being too happy to come under the present circumstances. But, you never know. I think any notion of obtaining him had to be in the calculus of the CMC trade (and that ship has sailed a long time ago). Honestly, we're likely going to have to draft a true WR1. We'll see. Moreover, I haven't given up on Mingo. With most guys, things take time. At the end of the day, we were desperate. That's why we traded our one.

Furthermore, @frankw, "big numbers" are a matter of definition. Like I intimated earlier, good receivers can put up 60-70 plus yards per game. You probably want more than a handful of TDs also. But, it's all relative and arguable.

I have never hated Moore. I have never gone on about Moore. If asked a question, I answered it. You act like Moore was all I ever posted about, and how bad he was. What I have always said about Moore is that he needs to be more consistent and score more to be considered a top tier receiver in the league, or a WR1. I've always said that. I also said that he needed to work on his route running. It all appears to be coming together, but it's going to take more than a few games to make me believe that he's finally turned the corner. Sorry (not sorry) if that doesn't jibe with your sensibilities. I was never a Moore hater, and for you to suggest otherwise is simply untrue, but do you and put on your show. As for QBs, that's what most WR1s do, even with average QBs, true WR1s produce consistently at a high level. Fields hasn't looked the greatest this season, or last or the one before that, but DJ has helped his stock go back up to such a degree that some are saying the Bears might keep him. Too bad that didn't work down here for Darnold. He's always been a good receiver, just not a great one perhaps until now. There is a difference between good and great. Smitty was great, and as a Carolina Panther, probably our only great one. If you don't agree, we'll, you just don't.

It was a sh¡t-worthy post meant to troll. That's weak, my dude. Stop trying to act like you're 100 percent right about your opinions. We both know it's not true. Moore is in his sixth year and is having a great start to the year. Is he Jefferson, Chase, Diggs? Maybe he's turned the corner. Great for him. Jeudy is in his fourth year and has unfortunately suffered injuries. Of course, this ain't really about Moore vs. Jeudy. The best thing would've been to keep Moore and probably draft Justin Fields (which I thought we were going to do). That being said, we're in the situation that we're in. Moore is gone, Jeudy has recently been shopped, Burns is going to be prohibitively expensive and remains unsigned, and we could use draft picks to try and make the best of a fuged up situation. I'm good if it happens depending on the compensation, and I'm good if it doesn't. Jeudy is young with upside who will only cost 13 mil next season. Now go back to low-key hating Bryce.

The Burns angle has already been explained, and it's not hard to understand. Jeudy isn't a WR1, but still has that upside in theory. We could certainly do worse. His main issue is injury history. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022-wide-receiver-rankings He's still in Mark Harmon's top 15 under 25, even if he has underperformed. "Jeudy has absolutely not lived up to his billing coming into the league, is quite inconsistent and is living off his past reputation as a route runner. However, I think he’s a solid No. 2 type of receiver and is a flashy big-play threat at the position. He’s also been moved around by numerous coaching staffs far too often in his career. I don’t need to see him as a slot receiver anymore. Leave him at flanker and let him get free releases against off-man coverage. That’s when he’s at his best." 1000 yard receivers even in a 16 game season only had to get about 63 yards per game.

Not really high priced, and not necessarily a Band-Aid. That would have to be determined.

Attitude issues...what...like wanting the ball like basically every receiver?

We'd be getting draft compensation, not giving it, because Burns would be a part of the trade. We'd ostensibly be solving three problems: 1. Getting a high quality receiver with WR1 upside. 2. Trading Burns for something, because, as it looks, we're not coming to an agreement as he may just want to much that we're comfortable giving. 3. Recouping a pick (or picks) in the 2024 draft. Sure, our pass rush would likely suffer but the ends justify the means. We would still have plenty of cap, Houston, Johnson, Haynes (eventually), Luvu and YGM.

You could be absolutely rightq, but ultimately it's all about value. I'm viewing a possible trade unto itself. But of course if you are right, it possibly has longer term ramifications. Tepper really needs to hire the right guy...or promote him.

Was going to say the same thing. There's no way that a Burns swap for Jeudy would fly. That defeats 50 percent of the purpose of the trade.

I think it's ill-advised to trade day one or two draft capital for Jerry Jeudy, but I could be talked into trading Burns, getting Jeudy and recouping some draft capital. For me, Hunter Rendrow is a nonstarter unless he comes for a bag of chips, and Marquise Brown doesn't excite me. A Jeudy trade involving Burns makes a lot of sense if we want to do this. We'd just have to give up way too much draft capital for Tee Higgins. We should've included Brandon Aiyuk in the CMC trade. Frisco ain't letting him go now. Jeudy is the most realistic option that provides the most potential for an impact this season. "This is our pick for the most realistic and mutually beneficial trade option for all parties if Carolina wants to truly make a splash, while also perhaps adding draft capital instead of losing it, but that’s not to say we expect it. Jeudy has a very manageable $12.987 million 2024 fifth-year option, and Carolina would have the ability to either extend him off a strong half-season or see things through for another year." https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-carolina-panthers-wide-receiver-trade-candidates-jerry-jeudy-hunter-renfrow I actually think that Bryce would be helped by adding a route runner extraordinaire. Jeudy on one side with Thielen in the slot and Chark or Mingo on the outside and a 2024 first round pick isn't the worst thing, especially considering that we aren't likely reaching an agreement with Burns.

Looking at this, Jeudy just might work wonders for us.

It may, but misery loves company. Take an extended break, but don't leave forever. It just wouldn't seem right to transfer loyalties to another team, as there's no history there. We've had too many people leave supposedly for good, and not just because the team has sucked for the better part of the last decade.

One glorified garbage season in a garbage division where we nearly made the playoffs has led to prolific miscalculations and reverberations for at least the short term.

Bryce hasn't thrown particularly bad, he just hasn't thrown deep. That's on Reich.

Yes, that is you. I'm more concerned with the total package. There have been plenty of QBs with fine arms, some outstanding champions. There have been others with cannons who barely made it a season. The wise person looks at the total package. Everyone can't be Pat Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers, but Bryce's arm elasticity is excellent.

Three games. Frank Reich. Enough said.

Get well soon. I'm going to take your advice. @Varkingwouldn't let me go to sleep. G'night, guys!