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Well I am just going to have to disagree with you that Tannehill had worse weapons than Cam, and I am pretty sure most of the NFL world would also. There were valid concerns regarding our receiving corps that we have poo pooed the last couple---err, few years actually, and the concerns have been valid, particularly when we come across teams that have them. Moreover, you seem to be only taking one year into account. Both have played several years and have been in decidedly different situations, from weapons to protection. All that being said, at the end of the day those that know football the best believe that Cam is probably the better QB who can prove it with a better cast. Most have him and Tannehill right in the same tier, but note that if Cam can get it together that he is the superior option to a noodle-armed Tannehill.

I am not even talking about money, but...I am sure we can get q high quality cheap replacement... Seriously, I could go down nearly every roster in the NFL and dispel your belief. But that aside, because I am sure that we could probably play ping pong all night, Corey Brown is a smallish, injury prone JAG who is not as fast as his Huddle reputation. His special teams value is damn near nil now and he doesn't have the best hands (although not the worst at 5.6% according to Sporting Charts). His 2.7 YAC is extremely pedestrian, on KB's level, even though he is mistakenly billed by some as fast and/or quick. Regardless of how bad some want him to be Steve Smith or DJax, the guy is easily replaceable. But for a stubborn coach who seems to put a higher priority on loyalty to marginal players than he should, Brown would be upgraded (and still might). Now you know how I feel.

The reason I asked is because it's kind of curious for the head coach to want to bench someone and not do it. Hell, the buck stops with him. Of course we are talking about Joe Philbin. Ok , the fans were somewhat split on Tannehill before the end of the season, but Tannehill had a decent season all things considered. It would be I there sting to see how he fares in polls now. One thing about it, the media seems more supportive, and football experts are not as down on him as some of the fan base (kind if like Cam). The thing is, Cam is considered the more talented guy who just may bring it all together with better weapons (and that ain't got jack squat to do with Tannehill). Even Bill Polian is coming around. And almost 100 percent of everyone and their mama says Cam needs better weapons, so I don't see arguing that he doesn't.

What coach?

Hartline is a solid receiver as well. He has put up two thousand yard seasons to support Tannehill.

The jury is still out on whether Tannehill and Cam can reach elite status, but both are largely considered solid enough QBs. Of course Cam has a huge edge in rushing which probably tip the scales in his favor, but I don't get people trying to use him as a comparison for Cam in the sense that he is heads and shoulders above him from a statistical point. He is not. The main difference from what I can see is that the Dolphins fan base as a whole is more accepting and appreciative of Tannehill than Panthers fans are with Cam.

An answer to what. You obviously think that Brown is all that and a bag of chips. I don't. No reason to belabor the difference in opinion.

Well he needs to be replaced by someone...

Shameless homerism

And one more thing that I forgot to mention, I disagree with you on this statement even moreso than about Perriman. Clayton Geathers is well worth looking into. He had great production, is smart and football savvy, and works hard. Like most prospects, he needs to be coached up, but there is some talent there. Of course he has a football pedigree also, but you'll probably take off points for that...

Cam isn't perfect, and will never be. He may not ever have the pristine footwork or consistency in mechanics, but his strength in conjunction with his athleticism is really unparalleled at the position. In my opinion, when you calculate positives and negatives he is good enough to get us where we want to go. The thing is, we will never know unless he gets a marked weapons upgrade and better than average protection on the field at the same time. I can't genuinely proclaim Cam a bust or the GOAT until the questions surrounding him are answered to a satisfactory level, much less an expert level. Once a better situation is developed for him, then I can just focus on Cam. Until then, there is no true clarity.

I am pretty sure that Sporting Charts does the same thing, so I wouldn't exactly say that PFF is more accurate. It's a subjective opinion. Their drop rates are usually within a few percentage points.

I think that I know what you're saying, but there is a difference between targets and "catchable passes". Doesn't sporting charts only have pros on it? I do believe that they base their drop rate on "catchable" passes also. Sometimes they and others differ on what a "catchable" pass is.

The drops may ultimately just be too high though. I don't know. I guess we will see which way the needle swings according to media reports during workouts.

Oh. OK. I got it now, though still a 4 target discrepancy. Brandt just took the total targets. So I am back to square one. The good thing for Perriman, according to Brandt, is that Perriman apparently didn't drop any passes the last four games, including scorching NCSU. Not saying that this will ultimately matter (only if we draft him), but Gettleman noted several times that one of the things that he looked at with Kelvin Benjamin is how he progressed during the season.

And you still haven't shown me one source, much less a credible one, that questions the kid's football smarts. I have seen scouts question other players' "football IQ" implicitly. I have still yet to see that with Perriman. You can jump the Grand Canyon and make big leaps all you like, I like to base opinions on evidence. Perriman is not unlike other players who have to be taught to be pros in different aspects of the game. Being able to learn is different from can't learn.

Well what the hell is Brandt talking about then?

In case you don't know, knowledge and IQ are not the same thing.

They have knocked him for his work ethic, not his football IQ. Where the fug are you getting your info from?

This drop rate discrepany is maddening. Apparently there is CFF also that came up with a 14% figure, and PFF that came up with the 8 out of 99. I am going with Gil Brandt for the time being.

You're counseling me on making arguments when I contradict your baseless one about Perriman's football smarts? Priceless!

Just to get the record straight, the 8 drops on 99 passes was calculated by Pro Football Focus which should make a lot of people feel better about Perriman. I am pretty sure that the other figure came from some other hack who didn't watch every pass and came up with the number based on what he saw. Anyway, an 8% drop rate is still a little high, but it was less than Kelvin Benjamin's in his championship season.

I was actually referring to KB's last year in college when I mentioned the +9% drop rate.

Loose comparisons can be attributed to just about every receiver, but when you dig a little deeper, then you will start to see the differences. Hill was a vertical-only receiver that looked more like a track star than a football player. His last year was his only claim to fame. Though Perriman had a good last season as well, he also made a good accounting of himself the year before, as well as a little noise his freshman year (while improving every year). Ironically, he is a track star that pays football, but unlike Hill who looks uncomfortable at times, Perriman looks very fluid and athletic. Greg Cosell said that his stature and movements reminds him of Julio Jones, and no one has made any such claim about the more gangling Hill. It's like natural versus forced. That being said, the real similarity unfortunately for Perriman are drops. If you listened to Gil Brandt however, drops were not a problem yesterday.

Even the slightest bit of research disproves a Stephen Hill comparison. Why don't you try comparing their college stats at the very least?