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I don't even really see any credible evidence that he's "too involved", in fact I see reports and actions to the contrary. Sure, he was highly involved with the Rhule hire, but what owner isn't involved in that level of hire? I would presume that he was highly involved with the GM's hire as well. But it appears that he lets the football guys have the final word on football issues.

If we don't come out as 2-1 in the first three games, we won't make it to five wins unless there's a change at QB1 and the team takes off (and I can't see that happening).

Point well taken.

Strange "hissy fit"? I indeed believe that Corral will be better than Baker at some point. I do believe that he indeed has a superior skill set (whether you like it or not), but I guess that you and a few others can't detect when someone says something that may not be totally true, but have elements of truth to it just to get a reaction. I am well aware that there are Huddlers who have wanted to see Corral be named the starter as soon as he was drafted. Most of them probably just don't want to see Darnold again under any circumstances (which is understandable), and some believe that we should put a rookie QB out there to see what he's got, regardless if he's genuinely ready to make the transition to the pros or not (which I also get). I don't fundamentally believe in that philosophy. Both of those groups probably are a little too exuberant in wanting to throw Corral into the mix. So calling for Corral is not a surprise. But these folks likely genuinely believe that Corral is intriguing, if not downright special. That being said, then you have the group that doesn't think Corral is anything special (at all really) and let their true spots show once we acquired a highly questionable Mayfield. They don't even recognize Corral's talent (potential and upside), or the fact that he is still our future QB, much less acknowledge it. They overlook him, have overlooked him, and even compare him negatively to Mayfield with some unsubstantiated-- bordering on outlandish--claims before the kid has even had his day. Well, whatever! Get with the fuging program!

A sham of a competition leads to a sham of a season. I'm not into disregarding camp, and I certainly believe that people can improve and grow. Anyone that takes the mantle should earn it, period! If you can't genuinely beat out the others pre-season, then you shouldn't be starting the season.

Maybe not. He'll opt to play on one leg if he can drag himself on to the field. Just like last year, it's a big season for him.

Just stop it! Put the Kool-Aid down, pick the mirror up, look into it and repeat what you just said.

Our schedule is a monster. I just can't see us getting to .500, even with CMC. He's a difference maker in the league when playing. He may be the premier difference maker outside of franchise QBs. But it still takes a team that's well-coached to win the games that you're supposed to, much less the games that you're not. If our new coaching additions can actually put players into a position to succeed, develop good game plans, and dynamically adapt to the situations at hand, then maybe we'll get to 10 games. The players, especially the QB1 will likely have to be on point with their execution as well. Basically, a lot of things will have to go right, in addition to CMC staying healthy, for us to get to nine or 10 wins.

I'm pretty sure that I heard Rhule say that he and McAdoo are pretty much on the same page as being a run-first type of offense. Hell, many coaches have the same belief. I fundamentally believe it, because "Why pass if you can run?" Belichick embarrassed the Bills doing it in their first meeting (and, yes, it was apropos for the weather conditions). But, I believe that you should be able to pass effectively and often if the run game is insufficient. Use the run to set up the pass and the pass to set up the run. I'm pretty sure that McAdoo believes in this as well. As far as I'm concerned, Rhule should hand over the keys. If what was displayed during Brady's tenure was with Rhule's active participation or without it, I have no desire to see our backs repeatedly and nauseatingly running into the pile. Hopefully our O-line will afford more open lanes in the run game, which should in turn open up the passing lanes.

Dude has referred to me as "foolish", "insane", "weird"... What's next? I'm just having a little fun, but I really do believe that Corral is our guy for the reasons I have explained, and I do believe that at the end of the day (not necessarily this year) he will be better than Baker if given the opportunity.

Also @kungfoodude I take issue with you saying that I'm "lashing out" or intimating that I'm being overly emotional. If anyone has done that in this thread, it's you. Check yourself!

Yeah, OK. Keep living in the past, because you obviously believe that the Browns--the Browns number 1 draft pick is the much-coveted Baker Mayfield of 2022! The cat's out the bag. There's NFL tape. There's a credible argument that he's entered bust territory based on what's transpired this offseason alone, regardless of this arm talent that you speak of. Sure, he can throw a long ball and is fairly accurate, but he hasn't met expectations. Talking about not reading, you obviously haven't done any homework on Corral for you to be downplaying his arm talent or his athleticism. Go do your homework in between the sips of Mayfield Kool-Aid (year 2018); it has aged well.

I insinuated that he has high upside, and that if he can successfully make the transition that he will be special. Don't be putting words in my mouth! You're either INSANE or just plain ignorant about Corral's skill set. He has high level traits, certainly more than you're giving him credit for. And yet, you speak of Mayfield like he's been an all-world type of QB when Kurt Warner explained to you how limited that he is. There are questions in Warner's mind whether Mayfield is even a franchise QB. https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/pro/browns/2021/12/09/kurt-warner-browns-news-baker-mayfield-contract-extension-franchise-quarterback-ravens-lamar-jackson/6442742001/ And Warner is hardly the only one that questions that. That's how Mayfield ended up here for a bag of peanuts.

Have you asked yourself why he really went third? Throw in the huge fact that he was hurt and missed performing during the critical part of the draft season, including the Combine, and really didn't have time to prepare properly for his Pro day, plus was unfairly besieged by a bunch of trumped up nonsense about alcohol and other issues stemming from a fight (where no punches were thrown) at a rich-kid high school, and he slid. Arguably, his talent wasn't the primary reason he was a day 3 pick. Now even if you think that it was, there have been day 3 picks that have excelled. Questions about Corral's ability to succeed in the NFL have not really been about what he has done, but what he didn't do in College due to playing in a Lane Kiffin offense.

You and others are just utterly drunk on the Baker Kool-Aid, making crazy claims about Baker's arm talent being one of the best in the NFL (yeah, you said that) and saying that Corral is not even in the same league when it comes to Baker's "physical gifts." I think y Corral can not only run circles around Baker, but he can make every throw in the book, has a faster release, can throw off platform, has as legitimate an arm as he not only bested Goldilocks in a QB throwing contest by heaving the ball 77 yards, but he chucked the ball 60 yards off-platform against Bama last season (with relative ease, I might add). For all the talk of Baker's 70-yard Hail Mary, it was akin to a contest as he had PLENTY of time. Moreover, I'd say that Corral is arguably better at layering his throws right now, and that he's simply a better QB off-platform, and is arguably more consistent with his mechanics inside and outside the pocket which has been somewhat of an issue for Mayfield at times, especially in crunch time. The question with Corral is not really about his arm talent, it is about his ability to master more complete NFL concepts and learn to make the proper reads on a consistent basis (which is also something Mayfield apparently has issues with to this day). For all of your bluster about Mayfield's arm talent, Lance Zierlein's NFL comp for Corral was ironically Baker Mayfield in his draft profile. Zierlein didn't comp Corral to Mayfield for Baker's running prowess. Moreover, Zierlein has also mentioned similarities to Zach Wilson who everyone knows was regarded as an arm talent wizard during 2021's draft season. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/matt-corral-draws-comparisons-to-2-recent-top-3-nfl-draft-picks/amp/ If Corral can maximize a hybrid Mayfield-Wilson skill set passing while also pulling his running skills out his bag and using them safely, we'll have a helluva QB once he puts everything all together from a skill set-perspective alone. If he masters the Xs and Os of the position, then he'll eclipse what Mayfield has done, period!

The ONLY thing I'm concerned about with Corral is his size. The size of his game is larger than you'd suspect for a QB of his size, but Mayfield is similarly built. Darnold is our only QB with prototypical size. But Corral will probably add a few pounds. This, along with smart play, will hopefully hold him in good stead. Injury was a thing last year for all our current QBs except for Walker. Good thing we invested in the O-line.

Baker played in appreciably more games in a markedly less talented conference with higher skill-position players on a more consistent basis. Name me one player of note that Corral has played with for any consistent amount of time while in the toughest conference in CFB. Anyone of note left before he got his full-time gig. Corral's years ('20 & '21) as the unquestioned QB1 were with guys who had oven mitts for hands. Moreover, I'm sure you forgot to press that little "rushing & receiving" tab. When you put things within context, the "not even close" becomes "not as far as I thought". Give Corral eight more games in the most superior conference in CFB (and it's not even close), and the stats become somewhat similar from a total production standpoint. If he plays those in the Big 12, the stats are even more similar. Baker had it made at OSU basically. Corral was in the tougher spot and had a rougher path to the starting role (and ultimately the NFL), and I will submit to you that iron sharpens iron. Edit: And, BTW, I researched all this before I made my bold statement, as I knew someone would bring it up. In a more general sense, I've researched Corral more than most here I'd suspect, and I've been telling y'all that he's got it for months.

Snyder is a straight up sleezeball and crook. He's also low-key meddlesome (or at least has been). It's taken years for the Washington franchise to show any kind of improvement under his tenure (and still the improvement is arguably minor at best). I can see some improvement beginning to take place by the Panthers right now. Though the beginning has been rough, mainly due to a lack of experience, I see a path towards success. Moreover, Tepper is patient. He's not given into knee-jerk reactions. That could ultimately be a good thing. The Rooneys are as patient as they come (with good result). And for all the bluster about Tepper being Jerry Jones 2.0, if I look at what he's actually done (and not done), I think that comparison is off as well. I suspect Tepper will be OK after the growing pains.

People may disagree about McAdoo's talent based upon his stint as HC, but as OC, he was pretty damned good. Some don't want to give McAdoo credit because he had OBJ (and Eli), but OBJ's best seasons (talking only the healthy ones) by an appreciable amount (of production) were under McAdoo. They were some of Eli's best as well. I suspect that some may be criminally overlooking the new OC, but I can easily see him having the most immediate, if not dramatic, impact on the 2022 season for not only what he will do for designing a game plan and making adjustments on game days, but the behind-the-scenes installation of an entirely new offense. Our passing game should benefit greatly (and apparently D.J. Moore agrees).

Did you get a gander at my earlier post with Corral at the QB competition throwing 77 yards? Yeah, it wasn't a game, but still. I would bet that Mayfield can't test better than Corral in anything pertaining to athletic ability. The 40, long jump, vertical jump, lifts, anything. And I'm being dead serious. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/video-5-star-sec-target-matt-corral-throws-77-yard-pass-opening/amp/

Corral can not only sling the ball, he can run circles around Mayfield. He's more physically gifted. I don't know why you guys are so comfortable proclaiming that Mayfield is the better physical talent. And you're acting like he isn't even in Mayfield's stratosphere. You're wrong! Not only is he more athletic--Mayfield can't run out of a paper bag--he's just as strong.

Corral can not only sling the ball

He was drafted to be our QB of the future, and I think that he deserves to be spoken of as such, regardless of potential world beaters Mayfield or Darnold. Moreover, people are already talking about drafting QBs in 2023. To that, I say, "Whatever."

He has thousands of people rooting for him. If I wasn't for the fans, he wouldn't be paid so handsomely to do a job that he loves. In one sense you can say that he doesn't owe the fans anything. In another sense, you can say he owes the fans everything. I feel that it's somewhere in between. If you do well, you have no problem accepting all the praise. If you play like sh¡t, you should be mature enough to accept constructive criticism. Just the way I see it.