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The Jets are almost looking cursed. I would hate to be a Jets fan.

You do realize that his best year was arguably the one without Nuk? 2020 was the one that really got everyone hot and bothered. Not even sexual assault accusations could cool some FOs off.

I'm pretty sure that I saw something fairly recently which said we have one of the better postseason win percentages. That's something.

Mine too, just in the opposite order.

Doesn't matter. Hurney is gone.

Not really, but even if you want to say that, it's only been that way for the last couple of seasons. Neither Brady, Brees or Ryan were jokes, or their organizations, really. Maybe Atlanta...but that's it (and of course us, but the reality met the expectations last season). Once Cam went down, we were done. Now, who knows? But we have talent, and possibly a franchise QB, so that's something.

Who's to say that he didn't? You have to know that there's only so much you can know before you actually take control of something that isn't yours, especially something with as many dynamics as an NFL franchise. Plans change and evolve. Everyone must learn and adapt on the fly at times. If you look critically, you can see that realization in the Panthers franchise over the last couple of years.

That's fine, if you want to look at it that way. As you know, not everyone is the same, nor are the circumstances (like the fact that though playing in basically a trash division, the Bill's finally start really turning it around until Brady left). We've had some pretty good QBs and teams in general to deal with on a yearly basis). We have an owner who has owned the team barely four years who decided to hire his guy, from the NCAA, who has only been here two seasons (one of which was tainted by Covid-19). I don't think it's unreasonable to give the coach and the owner another season or so to prove themselves, particularly if it looks like the team has at least improved on paper. It's not unreasonable at all. And, sure, as time goes on, and more of a track record is laid bare, then it will be more appropriate to develop more definitive opinions and even draw conclusions. I don't know what else to tell you.

At least five to seven years. They haven't even been to a Super Bowl.

Darnold has had four years to get his act together. If a QB hasn't proven that he can be a starting QB after starting for four years, he probably isn't a starting QB (most QBs don't even get that long). But that same time length is not the standard for judging whether or not someone is a good owner.

This isn't even about politics, and I laugh at the thought that I am demonizing anyone. I am not mad at Tepper, he's just playing the game. Now if you want to talk politics, I can discuss it, but there's no need to because most of the time people aren't honest. The fact is that Tepper doesn't need any public money to build his facility or benefit the community in which he puts it. FYI: Trickle-down economics has been a failure, as evidenced by a decreasing middle-class and increasing working-class, despite American productivity gradually accelerating and growing (record growth) over my lifetime. Americans are working harder than ever before, but haven't seen the benefits because, unlike 1950s America, the fat cats are taking hundreds and thousands more of the cut than they used to at their workers expense. And another thing, Corporations are not people and shouldn't be treated as such. Plutocrats, corporate welfare, and outright corruption are the bane of human existence and that's why things like homelessness, lack of heath care, fires and floods are increasing, and it's also why America is divided as ever. Just the way I see it. You can miss me with trickle-down economics or anything akin to it.

This isn't even about politics, and I laugh at the thought that I am demonizing anyone. I am not mad at Tepper, he's just playing the game. Now if you want to talk politics, I can discuss it, but there's no need to because most of the time people aren't honest. The fact is that Tepper doesn't need any public money to build his facility or benefit the community in which he puts it. FYI: Trickle-down economics has been a failure, as evidenced by a decreasing middle-class and increasing working-class, despite American productivity gradually accelerating and growing (record growth) over my lifetime. Americans are working harder than ever before, but haven't seen the benefits because, unlike 1950s America, the fat cats are taking hundreds and thousands more of the cut than they used to at their workers expense. And another thing, Corporations are not people and shouldn't be treated as such. Plutocrats, corporate welfare, and outright corruption are the bane of human existence and that's why things like homelessness, lack of heath care, fires and floods are increasing, and it's also why America is divided as ever. Just the way I see it. You can miss me with trickle-dowm economics or anything akin to it.

My opinion is that there hasn't been enough time to draw a conclusion. I don't know if Tepper will be great owner or not, and frankly as to what is "great" is a matter of definition. He'll, what's "average" is a matter of definition. All of this is based on opinion, whether you think he's bad or not. My point is not whether or not he has been great, good, or bad, my opinion is that due to context and circumstances in what is four short years, we really haven't had enough te to say what type of owner that Tepper will eventually be. Either you believe that we've had enough time or not (which it sounds like you do), then we're just going to have to agree to disagree. You obviously think that Tepper has been a bad owner and believe that this evidence means that he's more likely going to be a bad owner, so what else is there to be said? I don't think he's been a bad owner as much as he's been one that's learning. I certainly am not going to draw any conclusion about his ownership based on a premier practice facility gone wrong. In another season or two, if the team has not shown progress, if Tepper doesn't fire Rhule, then I'll start questioning Tepper's ability. If he hires another coach without practical pro experience, who begins with a staff that is just as inexperienced, then I'll start questioning whether or not Tepper is a good owner. Other things could make me question his ownership as well, but, even still, I will always be cognizant of context. It's going to take time and a pattern of failure longer than two years before I declare Tepper a bad owner. It's probably going to take at least three successive years of competing in the playoffs before I declare him a good owner. The point is, it's going to take time, particularly after the bumpy road thus far of the Rhule era.

That's your opinion. I don't even know if you can reasonably count the first year or two. Tepper was a brand new owner in July of 2018. He obviously didn't know what he was doing, and I'm fairly certain that he intimated as much. At the very least, he said that it would take time to build a good foundation. I scoff at the thought of some of you actually believing that he'd come in with a scorched-earth policy, firing everybody as soon as the ink dried. He took his time, surveyed the landscape, and then began making decisions once he was comfortable with making them. I'm not going to fault him for that, and neither am I going to fault him for giving Rhule another year. Three years is fair to assess the direction of a franchise in my opinion. If others think that two years is enough--that's them--I have no problem with that, but let's stop pretending that three years is an anomaly. Admittedly, I'm not entirely on board with this new train of thought that you fire a coach every other year--context and circumstances be damned! Some of us still do believe that being thoughtful before you make a knee-jerk reaction is a good thing--that patience is a good thing.

I haven't seen anyone say that Tepper is a great owner--no one. I have seen people say that it's too premature to draw a conclusion. And frankly, it's a pretty consistent group on here that outright says or suggests that Tepper is a bad owner, and not the other way around. And at many times they do so without context or considering the fact that Tepper is still a relatively new owner.

And he's not guaranteed to fail either. My problem with your sentiment is not that you have your opinion, it's that you're trying to blur the line between something that really doesn't speak to whether or not the Panthers can be successful, and insinuating that because you perceive it as some mighty great failure, that it's just another instance as to why the football team will be a failure--the franchise, the season, everything that Tepper touches in regards to the Panthers is destined to fail. You draw all these conclusions, or at least paint a pessimistic picture, notwithstanding that he's only owned the team for four years. Well four years may be enough for you to make up your mind about Tepper's ownership, but it's not for me. And, the thing is, he said that things would take time.

That's not even the point. Tepper is where he is, and he's not hurting. He made the decision with full knowledge that it would end up here--even though he could've personally bankrolled the project--but he did what he did anyway. That's not actually being a "loser", it's exercising power.

No argument there. The only thing I'd mention is that he's not unlike so many other billionaires. For right now, it's the American way.

Matt Corral, come on down!

The 80s were the best time for music. Nothing can compare.

Let's not mistake salary cap and draft implications, and bidding wars with other strong-willed successful men, with being a billionaire and able to pay for a state of the art practice facility all by yourself confused.

The HQ was a screw-up for sure, but everyone knows that if Tepper wants a grandiose facility for the Panthers, he'll get it in time. I don't see it as losing as much as I see it as learning the area and the culture before trying to do too much too soon. Some things just can't be rushed. He found that out with big plans for a facility, and he found it out with the team.

I think that an attorney who actually deals in property and contract law would be able to give us better insight than Huddlers using it for fodder to berate Tepper. It's not like the man is going broke or something. He's just doing what rich people do when things don't go their way I'd imagine.

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