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Didn't he basically just say what you said minus the gratuitous negativity at the end?

I guess that we have to have one of these ever so often. We had the wrong guys and made questionable moves. We missed out on Stroud, yada yada yada. We've made some decent acquisitions this offseason. Based upon what Tepper has done lately, who he has put in place, and what has transpires this far since Morgan has been put in charge, I am mildly encouraged. But, things have to be allowed to play out because teams aren't built in one off-season. I will say that I'm not looking backwards, only forwards.

Straight from Greg Cosell: "There were also snaps when he lined up offset in the backfield. Legette predominantly ran movement routes: slant-glance routes, vertical routes, crossers and over concepts that maximized his linear speed and minimized his tight core. Legette was featured on shallow crossers and drive routes in South Carolina’s pass game. He was also used on jet sweeps, which got him moving with his build up speed and size being a factor."

Now that's fair. I'm getting ready to return to work, so I don't have much time, but I'd say that YPRR generally isn't the be-all-end-all stat, and can be indicative of an offense or your place in it. But I'll look into it. Also, I don't agree that he won't be able to run underneath, and do so fairly immediately because I've seen him do it. I've already said that I don't look at things through the prism of one QB or one season, especially when you don't know that the QB is going to be here, or exactly what type of offense we will run. I'm just basically saying that the juice is worth the squeeze.

If you're talking to me, I've already explained it to, very concisely i might add, in this thread.

What are you reading? Some of the things that I've read about Legette don't sound any worse than any receiver not named Harrison, Nabers and Odunze. You sound like you're saying that he can't improve, but they all have things that they need to work on, and route running is at the top of the list (except maybe for Harrison whose dad prepared his son in depth for all aspects on and off the field). Unlike apparently some Huddlers, I don't think in terms of only playing with Bryce. I also don't believe that anyone rightly knows what type of offense we will even have. I do hope that Canales and company will actually play to a player's strengths and put them into opportunities where they can succeed. Moreover, I have seen Legette get open, and I've seen him create separation. Legette's highlight jump balls are hardly his only receptions, as great as they are. All you have to do is look at some vids, many of which contain the All-22 film. Can he improve? Sure, and that's what development is all about. And, as I've said many times before, the preponderance of rookie receivers need to refine route running and creating separation once they transition to the pros. Mitchell, Worthy, Pearsall, Wilson, and many more aren't Picasso's out there when it comes to route running. They can and will be rerouted by physical corners who press and try to hinder them in their routes, and none of them are as physical at the catch point as Legette (not even Coleman). So in my opinion you just have to pick and choose based upon strengths, weaknesses and projections. Personally, what I don't want at 33 is a receiver who doesn't have X potential. We can get one of those later in round two all the way through the end of day 2 probably. In my opinion, we need a receiver who has the highest upside possible, who can play adeptly outside and in the slot, and is a true threat to take it to the house on any given play. Legette's explosiveness will allow that. The only other receivers that could possibly do it are Mitchell or Worthy, but then you get back to their lack of physicality. But, like I said, drafting these guys is about development. If we decide that Legette is too rich at 33 or 39 for that matter, I can live with it (and have to). But if we draft let's say a Pearsall or a Wilson while Legette is still on the board, in my opinion we'd be making a big mistake. But, it's gonna be what it's gonna be.

When you say that he ranks dead last against zone coverage, who is grading and is that based upon total production or what? I ask because it would be easily explainable if it was based upon opportunities. We need some context.

I hear you, but that's going to come back to value and opportunity costs. WR is deep (and I've heard that this will be the case in 2025 also), so you might be able to get a playmaker or two on day 3. Receivers like Malachi Corley, Malik Washington, Brenden Rice and Roman Wilson could very well be there later on day two. There are others too. I mean if Kool-Aid McInstry is still on the board or Olu Fashanu, for example, you have to weigh the pitential costs of passing them up, that's all I'm saying.

Because they aren't very similar, they just have some---arguably peripheral---similarities. When you actually go deeper into researching them, they have substantial differences. Anyone that seems invested in not acknowledging the substantial differences, just seems more interested in supporting a weak-sauce narrative than truly looking at how Legette could possibly improve the Panthers in a big way. I get it, it's a dart throw, but "scared money don't make no money." I don't think it's a coincidence that Legette exploded after his college career curve. Sure, he could be the guy that people with lower expectations have painted him out to be, and that would be really a run-of-the-mill bad investment, see-I-told-you-so type of a deal. But, if he continues his meteoric rise toward that super potential that analysts say that he has, the team that drafts him will get a true one in the second round, and that would help us to get ahead of schedule.

BPA BPA BPA! We could stand a nice CB, and I'll never get mad at taking an OT. Now of course the actual players picked need to give you a commensurate return on investment. From my perspective, drafting is an exercise in value and weighing opportunity costs, both in the immediate and in the long term. It's the prime cut of team building.

You've basically rubber-stamped the idea that they are the same. I've seen you pieing posts up and down the Huddle on that very narrative. It's your prerogative, like you say, but just be honest about it. That's not even up for debate anymore. Furthermore, the preponderance of NFL rookie receivers need some type of help with their route trees, so you're really not saying anything with that. His agility is what it is, it's really not up for debate. His body type---basically being jacked and/or naturally big---limits his lateral movement to a degree. Does that mean he's not worth a second round pick, especially when viewing the totality of his actual game or considerable upside? Well that's a question for individuals to answer on message boards and NFL franchises to answer in the 2024 NFL draft.

I have said plenty about Legette over several threads. You've offered nothing except that he reminds you of Mingo. That's it. Anyone can see that he's big, strong, explosive, tracks the ball with the best of them which, obviously has strong hands, has great hops, and because of the latter three he has an excellent catch radius. These are obvious to anyone who has watched his plays. Also obvious is the fact that true speed is reflected in his game speed, as he's run away from NFL-caliber DBs. As a matter of fact, anyone who has done their research knows that his damned-near 23MPH would've been faster than any receiver in the NFL last season. Now, honestly, I've heard that he's a better than average blocker, but I haven't watched that aspect of his game. You know, If I wasn't dealing with you or the Huddle, I may have been offended by your decidedly provocative insinuation that I don't know how to form my own opinion, or that I haven't offered anything other than links---maybe in this thread, but of course limiting my content to only this thread seems kind of contrived---but I am dealing with the normal craziness of this place so I am more amused than offended. I am comfortable with differing opinions, and I appreciate the ones that are well researched, or at least well thought out.

I think that's the other way around, you've been parroting other Huddlers' opinions for a long time, but you're right, we're not the same.

Ha ha. What a lazy way to support your opinion. Without a RAS score or Combine measurables, you wouldn't know what to do. But, I know, you looked at that All-22 and said, "Hey, these two guys look exactly the same..." Gimme a break, LG! They're not the same.

It would seem to be that if you're going to form an opinion, it should be based upon more than he's got a similar build or a similar RAS score than this guy or that guy. That really is nonsensical at the end of the day. And, for the record, I haven't seen one notable analyst (or any analyst really) comp Legette to Mingo.

Let's try not to look at dated mocks. I know that it's easy to do, but looking at older mock drafts and dated projections isn't as helpful as looking at recent ones. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/ https://www.si.com/college/southcarolina/football/xavier-legette-projected-as-a-first-rounder-by-mel-kiper-jr#:~:text=Mel Kiper Jr.%2C a renowned,and a solid pro day. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/28/nfl-mock-draft-2024-seven-round-espn-panthers-xavier-legette/ https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/03/31/nfl-mock-draft-2024-april https://www.profootballnetwork.com/will-helms-2024-nfl-mock-draft-april-1/ So let's not act like there aren't mocks out here with Legette going before round 3.

Yeah if he's there, there definitely has to be a discussion.

Plenty of NFL types expressed those same concerns. Plenty of them. Hell, Parcells said that "he better walk on water." Plenty of people outside of the Huddle said that they would've picked Stroud. So, your apples to oranges comparison is really what's funny. Bryce wouldn't even have been picked by a lot of people, much less first overall or even at all.

Yes, but they're not really comping measurables as much as they are comping playing styles. They make look at measurables, but playing styles are the priority when it comes to comps.

Shenault was never going to be much more than he is as a receiver because he has issues tracking the ball. This was a flaw coming out of college. It's not something that you can fix. Either you can track the ball proficiently or you can't. It's got nothing to do with your body type. That's a simplistic way to judge potential.

They are hardly the same receiver, and if you look at analysis of Legette, he has that type of upside. If you think I'm going to take the simplistic analysis of Huddlers over pros, it's not going to happen.

Neither one of them have the upside of a true X receiver. We'd have three similar receivers (if not four).

I could see it going down like this.

"On paper" really doesn't equate to anything except possibly measurables, and a lot of receivers and players in general have the same measurables. That's not what makes or breaks a player. I just thought I'd state that since so many people want to equate Mingo and Legette. SMH

LOL.