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That's not the question. The question who is making the argument up to the point where it excludes Young from their boards. Obviously if people have Young as their number one QB (some the best player overall), then they're not using his size as a determining argument .

Well, for me it was an attempt based upon injury projections (which is a slippery slope). Admittedly, I think pro comps are kind of stupid anyway.

Whether they are making a "huge" deal out of his size is subjective and debatable. Obviously some are and some aren't. It's certainly not "everyone." Young is still slotted as the first pick on many boards. Indeed, he's picked up steam in Vegas and is now equal in the books.

Sure, I've already acknowledged it's a concern, to some people more than others, but it is discussed here like it's a fait accompli that Young is destined to suffer a career-ending injury and that this makes him untouchable.

So you can say with surety that previous injuries whether they were labelled as concussive or not (or even reported) simply play no part in what Tua is suffering today? Maybe you're right, but I don't have that amount of trust in medical professionals. https://qbi.uq.edu.au/brain/concussion/concussion-can-be-caused-body-hits-too And let's not forget that there is a genetic component involved with concussions as well, so much so that athletes are reluctant to take tests. https://qbi.uq.edu.au/brain/concussion/concussion-can-be-caused-body-hits-too Like I said, regardless of concussions, there was plenty of evidence to suggest that Tua was injury prone. And he has been.

Acknowledged, but let's not prematurely end Reich's quote because it fits a narrative. He also said and intimated that there are way more important things to look at.

So you say. Regardless, there was plenty of evidence to suggest that Tua would be injury prone in the NFL. That's not the case with Young.

Coaches rightfully look at injury history during evaluations. Obviously, if you have an injury history it's easier to project (or at least imagine) injuries. Injury history is real and not imagined. Projecting injuries based upon size has come to the forefront of discussions due to Young's size, and that is absolutely imagining injuries, which is absolutely a slippery slope, and not an evaluation of talent.

Stroud is hardly an SUV, and that Miata has held up just as well, if not better.

The concerns regarding his size aren't imagined, but his injury history---especially as compared to Tua or even Kyler---is imagined.

Serious injury, nonetheless. And not only a serious knee injury, but a history of injury. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2020/4/23/21223883/tua-tagovailoa-injuries-timeline-nfl-draft-2020-alabama-miami-dolphins The concussion thing is unfortunate. But to compare Tua and Young without looking at the complete picture just lacks credibility in my eyes.

To each his own. Tua came into the league with real injury concerns. Young will come into the league with imagined injury concerns.

Boldin because he was the better receiver.

Tua was injected into this argument as a means to make an argument against Young. Just because he turned it, don't get mad.

All QBs take hits. That goes for all QBs.

The context wasn't really about coaching. In my opinion, a good QB coach should be able to coach to a man's strengths and minimize his weaknesses. I'm going to believe that McCown can do that based upon the great things I've heard about him. I refuse to believe that he can only coach guys that ostensibly are like him, and that's what the replier was trying to intimate.

He lived to see another day.

Not trying to be funny, but I find it weird when people compare one QB to another QB in general, especially before they even play their first down in the league. No two people are equal. They just aren't. The closest thing you'll find to equal are twins, and twins aren't even equal. Just because Tua is prone to concussions or gets ragdolled doesn't automatically mean that Young is prone to concussions and will get ragdolled. Tua came into the league with an injury history. Young will not. Splitting hairs, Young's injury history is better than Stroud's.

A) Nobody is ignoring the size. What some analysts have said is that they don't believe size is as big of a concern in today's NFL than it was many years ago due to all the changes. Most who prefer him are saying that the risk is we'll worth the reward. B) He absolutely does have the best tape, which is probably the most weighted item when it comes to projection and grading. And, honestly, he did more with less against better competition.

Perhaps, but it's not like Dalton and McCown ever smoked the league, much less set it on fire.

I don't believe this AR story for a minute.

Well, might as well add to the chaos. There is some serious smoke screening going on. When asked if AR had a chance, Tony Pauline said: “If it’s up to Frank Reich, yes,” he replied. “I think what’s gone on or, what I’ve been told, is that everybody in the room is really heavily leaning towards C.J. Stroud. C.J. Stroud did well at the combine, he did well at the pro day and I’m told that the interviews with C.J. Stroud—he’s knocked them out of the park. And he’s very genuine, he’s been very forthright and he’s a likable guy. I’m told that everybody in the building is heavily leaning—if not, checked off the box on C.J. Stroud. “I’m told that Frank Reich, if he had his way, would go with Anthony Richardson because of the upside, because of what Anthony Richardson could be two or three years down the road. It’s just a matter of how much of a fight is Frank Reich gonna put up in that war room to say, ‘Hey, listen, I want Anthony Richardson.’ I think right now, there’s probably less than a 20-percent chance it’s Anthony Richardson and all signs are pointing towards C.J. Stroud.” https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/06/panthers-hc-frank-reich-favors-anthony-richardson-cj-stroud/

I didn't even know that that was a legitimate way to think for a fanatic, but I...guess that it is. Honestly it sounds like the tact of an immature fan but that's just my opinion.

Will do. My bro-in-law had it a few years back. The doc believed it was caused by the HPV when he was younger. He still seems to be doing fine after a couple of years though. He goes to the doc every few months now for a checkup. Your friend must be going for his regular checkups, and it's good that they caught it. Having good doctors is extremely important. The radiation and chemo are rough, but as long as they caught it in time, it's better than the alternative.

Let's not try and act like Stroud didn't have excellent receivers both years. Hell, he was throwing to two first round picks---hella good receivers, the last couple of seasons. If Young had had those guys, Wilson, Olave, then Njigba and Harrison Jr., as a Bulldog I'd have hated it!