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Frank's soft plays makes everything softer...

That took its time coming out. I'm becoming a little apprehensive about Laviska's viability. I think that he'll still be safe if we only keep three RBs.

What I'm saying is that some of our players were playing average to decent football notwithstanding a bad W-L record and not necessarily being put into the best situations to succeed.

They did not forget how to play. Don't get a losing record, bad coaching, sketchy QB play, injuries and such mixed up with forgetting how to play.

Dude, I'm not just looking at two preseason games. Ickey did damned well last season. Do you think he just forgot how to play? Do you think Shaq, Woods, Jones, Bozeman, T-mo and even some of the others have forgotten how to play at a high level based upon two fuging preseason games? Do you think guys like Campen have forgotten how to coach? I'm asking you too @Stumpy. If this is what you believe, then I have nothing for you.

So there has been no proficient execution? I think you're wrong. There has been inconsistency of execution, but some of these guys have proven that they can execute at a high level.

They are referring to preseason wins and losses. Anyone trying to suggest otherwise is being pretentious.

"It doesn't matter win or loss, it matters the way they went about their business tonight." --John Harbaugh (in this video) That's what the point of preseason is, and what determines that are the goals that are set by the coaches. Harbaugh, just like you are trying to do in this thread, is really using a straw man. No one here is saying that preseason doesn't matter, and I personally have never seen a reporter write that preseason doesn't matter. Everyone knows it matters, but wins and losses in preseason are largely not the measure of "success" during the regular season. Everyone knows that preseason games matter to the guys who are actually trying to develop and prove that they deserve to be in the NFL.

There's really no way to tell where we would be or who we'd have picked up. You have to live life as it comes. You can play the "if game" for every decision that you make. Sometimes you make good decisions. Sometimes you make bad decisions. Making bad decisions will cost you, but you can't stay in a state of inertia or throw in the towel and expect to make progress. It's too soon after the Rhule era to think that everything's going to be fixed during one off-season, and it's really to soon to be judging our depth after a couple of preseason games after one off-season since Rhule was fired. I mean, the second and third string guys didn't look too bad against the Giants.

I would think that Corral makes it, if for nothing else, so we can have an emergency QB on standby on game days.

I said nothing about him being any of the above. He's obviously a relatively inexperienced QB in his sophomore season. You can't discount him this early in the game, especially when he's reportedly been solid.

I really don't know what at this point makes you think that Desmond Ridder won't be around. His needle has actually been trending upward since the end of last season.

By the way, Juan, you were beaten by the bot...per me.

Solid signing. Rezjohn Wright might be in trouble.

Fair enough. I think the OC was showing some of that offensively during the second half...

The O-line had some notable performances last season, and our personnel has possibly improved. I don't think all fans are simply freaking out, especially during the preseason. If it looks terrible in October and especially November, then the disappointment will be justified.

The Steelers doing Steelers things... I'll say that I hoped to see more push by the O-line, but I'm not freaking out during preseason. I just can't do it after watching football in earnest for 47 years. The preseason is the preseason.

If we get competent O-line play, we can establish a competent running game. Injuries obviously play a part of that equation.

Smithers, no one ( with the exception of possibly John Harbaugh) is going all-out to win during the preseason. And, no, I'm not concerned by what Reich said because it's realistic, especially considering the circumstances. We are anything but a settled team. Everything is basically new. It's going to take time to develop players, processes and actually smooth the rough edges out.

If Chuba is out for any extended period of time, I'm all for signing Fournette, Penny or whoever as opposed to relying on an obvious project.

That's not (even remotely) what's going on.

To be fair, the O-line looked like it has been in the right position. Ickey has had a couple of brain farts. Moton looks rusty, and the interior is a work in progress. Plus, Bryce is still a rookie, and he hasn't been let off his chain yet.

People who just poo people who have stated what's just obviously obvious are the ones with a chip on their shoulder. I will say it again, whether you or anyone likes it or not: Corral had his best outing and improved markedly upon not only his first, but also from last preseason when he looked like a chicken with his head cut off. With luck and hard work, he'll keep improving to the point where he consistently looks like he can handle an NFL offense. Got it?

I'm mad & you're the one shitting me for no reason.

I don't believe that player development is necessarily a waste of time. It can actually be looked upon as a positive or all involved parties. Everyone can't start right away. Some players need extra attention and time. Give me $15400 per week for being on a practice squad. I'll work to get on the 53 and be happy.