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I mean, I saw your comment in a thread before, went to read up on him, and nothing really screamed out at me. Now you do have a good point about chemistry with KB. In those mid rounds, Hardy, Montgomery Dorsett and Lippett just seem more enticing for different reasons.

Honestly, his size leaves a lot to be desired. We already have a smallish receiver who has 4.5 speed.

Put me in that number as well. I still like Strong, but not as strong. But if Gettleman picks him over Perriman or any other player, I will accept him with open arms. Unlike some of these bozos, I have literally had my eye on Strong for at least a year and a half. I even mentioned him in this thread way back in 2013. I have watched video and read his story a long time ago. I like him. I do think that he's a little stiff, is not as physical as his stature would suggest, and plays a lot slower than his 40. He is a very efficient WR, but less fluid receiver in my opinion, and that's why I would go with the naturally stronger, smoother, explosive Perriman, whose upside is higher in my estimation. I must admit that I didn't even have Perriman on my first or second round radar until hipped to his meteoric rise by J.Jones, but after researching him, particularly that he improved as his senior season progressed (one of the reasons that Gettleman expressed that he used in determining KB to be his pick), I became very intrigued. Someone was trying to intimate that Perriman appeared explosive because of playing in C-USA, so I said that I'd wait to see what he did at his pro day before making up my mind to go with Perriman over Strong. Of course he was obviously as explosive as I saw on the tape, and his streak of displaying good hands continued. I mean, why wouldn't I change my mind? That being said, if Strong is the pick, then great. i think that he's a little close to the same type of receiver that Benjamin is in his movements and ability to separate (and actually think that KB is more fluid), but I am just a fan. The professionals get paid money to scout.

You will probably disagree, and perhaps you will believe it coming from a coach more than me, but it is way more easy to teach a natural hands catcher to focus on seeing the catch in and securing it with his hands than it is to teach someone that naturally wants to catch with his body to catch with his hands, because the problems of focusing are compounded.

Actually I agree with you in theory. I just keep hearing Gettleman espouse the virtues of BPA, which I really can't argue with. Depending on how everything shakes out, I could easily see Gettleman having Gurley as the BPA. I just don't think that Gettleman would consider any BPA a luxury pick, especially in the first two rounds where you have to hit that nail on the head. I just don't think that Gurley's health problems here and there are going to trump his talent in G-man's mind provided that Dr. Anderson gives him the thumbs up. Hopefully Gurley will be drafted higher (because i actually think he deserves it), and Gettleman won't be put to the test. I'm sure Gurley will be looking like a mighty tasty morsel. One thing that I would like to note is that you may not think RB is a priority this year, but Gettleman is probably thinking long term. In that sense, he probably won't view Gurley as such a luxury pick, as much as he deems Gurley a future game changing playmaker.

It's hard to argue with that. I will say that Perriman did not have any drops his last four games, or at his pro day. The theory that it may have been concentration drops due to whatever reasons may be valid, and there just may be a real reason to be optimistic about Perriman's chances to be a good pro. Even if he doesn't go in the first...

Honestly, like I told someone else, Agholor could turn out to be one of the better receivers in this draft. There is always some second or third round pick that plays above their pay grade so to speak, and I really think that Agholor could be that dude. He is a smart, instinctive, versatile player that has good hands and runs good routes. I am high on Agholor, and Hardy actually. Any time that you have a great route runner with excellent hands, you have found a guy that may be able to make the leap to stardom a little easier than guys with questionable hands and route running.

As I already pointed out to you, Clayton Geathers is worth drafting, as is Perriman. To say anything less is just ignorant.

Whatever. You obviously missed the buzz weeks before his workout. Many so-called professionals hadn't even done their due diligence on Perriman until later on in the process. Some of these draft profiles and mocks that you see are woefully out of date, but it's all good. I don't even care that much. Like I said, I will be happy with whoever the pick is.

All this same stuff and more was being said about Kelvin Benjamin. Oh, he has bad hands. Oh, he is not first round material. Oh, this and that. Those opinions don't amount to a hill of beans. The fact is that no one really knows, but I will give Cosell's and Brandt's opinion more credence than I will anyone on the Huddle. Moreover, to be making absolute statements when you still have more than three weeks to go to have private workouts is even more of a reason that opinions of people who don't have anything to do with scouting evaluation fall on my deaf ears.

Personally I think that if Gurley is there, we are picking him, regardless of Peat, Perriman, Strong or anyone else. But that's just a guess.

As already stated, Perriman may not even be there when we pick. And that really doesn't have anything to do with what I said, regardless of how much you and Jeremy want to clown. I will be good with Gettleman's pick regardless of who it is, because I trust him implicitly (particularly with early round picks). I'm just not presumptuous enough to intimate that I know what he is thinking one way or another. That's why I don't generally talk down about draft prospects in the slightest. You will never hear me telling someone that this pick or that pick is not first round material. I leave that to the professionals.

Gettleman's draft board may as well be the Book of Life as far as the media and fans are concerned. As old school and closed mouth as he is---which any professional should be, I literally laugh at the thought of anyone outside of those that need to know predicting his priorities.

I agree wholeheartedly with the second part. Peat is a pipe dream. I don't see any scenario where he is falling to 25. Gone are the days when we pick just inside or outside the 10th spot.

I don't ever remembering you refer to Kelvin Benjamin as a legit first rounder, not saying that you didn't. Fortunately for all of us Huddlers don't make personnel decisions and Gettleman does.

Yeah, there just may be someone else that slides. Just think if Gurley is there, I would put my money on him being the obvious BPA.

I would take Perriman because I feel that he could make more of an impact quicker. With Oher and now Martin, and Gman and Matsko's apparent faith in one or both, I would think that we'd be better served in the short and long term to draft Perriman first, and then Ogbuehi in the second.

I am not questioning your football knowledge in regards to seeing what you see on the field from a more technical standpoint. I am very aware that Olsen and Benjamin are great options, particularly Olsen.That's not an issue. But I also believe that their skills can be used more effectively with another playmaker in the mix, however little that we pass, run, split Olsen out or whatever. Another playmaker---a legitimate threat---at wide receiver on the field at the same time with Olsen and Benjamin just makes sense. Late in the season, the flaw of trying to rely on Greg Olsen as a secondary or primary receiver was put on display. He was effectively schemed out of the game. Even in our last game (which was way better than his first game against the Hawks), Olsen was largely ineffective until what some people may even refer to as garbage time because it was pretty easy for the Seahawks to take him out of the game. I don't see how anyone that was watching could see it any differently. This "mythical" receiver that you refer to may not be as productive as either Benjamin or Olsen, but is still necessary (in my opinion) to get us over the hump when we meet teams with top echelon defenses and better offenses. This WR2 (which is not a term just used in Madden) would in theory be able to take some pressure away underneath which would probably help Olsen the most. Cotchery nor any other receiver that we have does not put enough fear in the opposition to consistently open things up for Olsen and Benjamin. So although this WR2 may not be the better on paper from a reception or yards perspective than our top two options, in the real world his effect would be just as important. As for Rivera, Shula or whoever not being willing to open up the offense even if we have the tools to do so---particularly when we must do so when meeting a higher and more complete level of competition---they will not be around to do this too many times before they are ultimately put on ice.

Well, it's not like I don't believe that Denarius Moore is a greater receiver than Ginn, and his stats arguably prove this point. So, not, it's not hypocritical. You think that I am crying over Moore? That's laughable. The main reason that we went hard at Ginn is because Brown could not get the job done as a returner. Ginn historically has been one of the better ones in the league, so it just made sense from that standpoint, as well as a versatility standpoint. Now as a WR3 standpoint, I scoff at anyone who thinks Ginn is a better receiver than Moore or most of the others that were in free agency.

It's fine for you or others to view Corey Brown as one of our best receivers that we have. I understand itt from an emotional standpoint, I just don't agree with it because I know we can do better for all the reasons I stated. I am really getting tired of harping on it because I have put it all out there. Some may think it's unfair of me to compare him to the best of his peers, but it's because I believe we need to raise our standards for receivers that could realistically see the field for an appreciable amount of time. For me, trying to compare UDFAs and late rounders is ludicrous unless they just so happen to be on the same team vying for the same spot, with some type of playing time or stats to judge (kind of like the case with both Browns, Boykin and Hill). One of the real issues here with me is that Gettleman has said on numerous occasions that he believes in competition because this gives the team an opportunity to upgrade positions. But instead of just accepting the man at his word fully, some people want to discount or downplay the contestants to their detriment because these fans are more fans of players than the team. For me it's not about a popularity contest. If this is what we are going to have to deal with as far as our receiving corps, then I am for the best players also. But just like there is Brown, there is Boykin, Mike Brown, Hill, and maybe even Bersin who have had an appreciable amount of playing time as pros, who have made just enough noise to not be discounted as just camp bodies. There are also a couple of others who are chomping at the bit to prove their worth---their growth and development like Lucas. No one should be taken for granted to be our WR3.

Personally, I'd like Clayton Geathers. He needs to be coached up as well, but he has been super productive. He may get a little over aggressive at times which may lead to bad angles, or not give him time to adjust because of overplaying a receiver, but he is a smart, instinctive leader with a good work ethic.

No, what's outrageous is you not giving Jarrett Boy kin his due. You obviously just have never cared to watch him play or looked at any stats. You better be glad that I don't have any way of verifying their YAC in college. I wonder what lame excuse you'd give then. Boykin basically just outproduced Brown in most stats that you can think of. And I absolutely know by looking at the stats that he was better with YAC also. Furthermore, it's very lame to use the QB and especially the system as a means to disparage a player's talent. But, for your information, 2013 was effectively his first year really playing, and it just so happens that it was also the year that Rodgers got hurt. Most of the damage that Boykin did that year was with Rodgers on the sidelines, including a 112 yard performance. I guess you'll tell me how Boykin, basically still wet under the ears, was at an advantage playing with Matt Flynn and Seneca Wallace. Give me a break. Brown is not a better route runner than Boykin, and never has been.

And I haven't even begun to talk about blocking. Gettleman covets receivers that can block (even though he ironically let two of our best blockers get away from him), who wouldn't? A receiver that can catch, block, and play special teams will probably get the nod over one who doesn't, especially in an offense like Gman and the coaches want to run. Blocking has to be taken in to consideration. Of all the receivers that we have now, people need to realize that Cotchery, Hill and Boykin are good downfield blockers.

I don't know if you've seen it (but you may have since I have done my best to inform people about Perriman), but Greg Cosell made the comparison as well, in that he said they are similar in "size and movement". To me that's pretty damned good also. If he can keep improving those hands like he did at his pro day and in the bowl game, then I don't see why anyone wouldn't want him at 25. If Gettleman picks him, then I will be ecstatic because I believe that Gettleman knows how to spot top talent, and knows how to maximize his top picks.