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If all we can get is a first, we may as well keep him. I don't get why you guys are thinking that Burns is worth so little. It must be a Huddle thing. He still wins at a good rate according to the tweet linked in the other thread. With someone like Detroit, he would probably kill it with an A+ rusher on the other end. Burns would probably put Detroit over the top, even with their need to upgrade their defensive backfield.

Donnelly says we should be attempting to address two needs with one move, and...that makes sense. I would like to think that we're beyond the point where something "makes so much sense that it will never happen," but we are the Panthers. Maybe, just maybe, under Dan Morgan and Dave Canales things have changed. All that being said, Trent Brown as the LT and Ickey as Guard, presumably with T-Mo and BC on the other side would make a lot of sense. The acquisition of Brown would be a relatively grand stroke for us in the grand scheme of things. Mike Evans is a nice thought, but would he really want to come here? I really don't think so, but Canales is our wild card in what appears to be a relatively weak hand. Lastly, remember when I started that thread before the trade deadline about how a radio host on the Lions official station threw out the idea of trading for Burns, well apparently there are still some traces of smoke out there in the Motor City about that possibility. As Donnelly says, just like in October, Jameson Williams should be required by us to be a part of that compensation. Of course their 29th should be mandatory as well (if not an additional day three pick). I've seen some here suggest that we take a first for Burns. That's obviously not enough, as Donnelly says, because Burns is worth more than that. We will never get the deal that Scott Fitterer turned down, but their first and Jamo along with a 4th/5th would be excellent considering what they want and what we need. It would be a win-win in my book, and if it's ever going to happen it seems like this March/April is the time to make it so. Make it so, Dan!

Damn, I thought about $5 bucks (inc. tax) was high. Shows what I know.

I could also argue that there's going to be "a lack of opportunities" for the foreseeable future, so we still need to keep all of our options open, including drafting a rusher who can increase his efficiency as the team increases its opportunity for leads and wins.

He wants "elite" money. In my opinion, he's not worth it. It is a bad value. I don't believe in bad values. I also don't believe that at least some of his production can't be replaced. We didn't get much of a pass rush last year, so if we get just about anything it's a literal improvement. No more bad contracts! If he wants to lower his expectations around 8-12 mil per year from the 30-32 mark, then we can talk. He should've taken the 27 when it was rumored to be on the table. He isn't even worth that. 20-23 and we can talk.

I would be torn if he was asking for something between 20-23 mil per year, but because he wants top money, I'm inclined to ship him out to the highest bidder without any hand wringing.

Exactly. Mingo wasn't great, but he wasn't terrible. I'm sure I posted Smith's follow-up on Mingo after the season ended. He's still learning the details of the position in regards to more fine-tuned route running, and of course he needs better QB play.

That's the problem: Bryce Young was not the consensus #1 pick. There were many who believed that C.J. Stroud was the best of the bunch. There were serious questions about Young's size (and everything that came with it) from more than a few. Young was not a virtual consensus like Williams this year, or Lawrence in the past.

He did not hype Mingo as "the next big thing." Mingo wasn't even in his top five. As far as him knowing nothing more than the average Huddler, you're tripping.

I mean, the obvious move is to suck it up and stand pat until 2024 when the QB class is more loaded, perhaps see if Levis falls, keep Moore and all your picks. Of course the Moore part of the equation is an afterthought because I couldn't have imagined it when the offseason began, but I am not one that has a belief in giving up draft picks to move up, especially as it pertains to future years. I realize that sometimes you're going to feel compelled to do it, but it has to be for a slam-dunk player in my opinion if you're trading first and second round picks. The QB class is so deep this year, that we'd have possibly been able to get a day-one starter on day two and still had Moore, our first this year and our second next year. Our options would have felt a lot more liberating than they do now. We're kinda under the gun with Burns (and maybe even Brown). We didn't play the odds---make the obvious move, which was to wait---and we've burned ourselves in several respects. It's going to cost us at least one to three years to get back on track.

I wasn't on board with it, but you wouldn't be saying that you "knew it was a suicidal move" had we picked Stroud.

Thanks for letting me know. Honestly I wasn't even paying attention to him because I had already made up my mind that there were better prospects (well, that and me paying attention to the QB with the cool name...).

Perhaps on day three. Tez looks like he could certainly use one more year in school because he's simply unpolished as a route runner. Look at his breaks! At this point, to me, he looks like a one-hit-wonder---a speed guy that offers you a vertical threat if he can get off the line relatively cleanly. His physicality is nowhere near A.J. Brown's. Admittedly, I didn't watch the above vid, but I have watched others. Tez is not worth our first pick.

Powers-Johnson, huh...?

I mean, I hear ya and might agree in theory, but I'm not going to fool myself about the O-line yet again. Not this time! We need to make a certain amount of investment into it, and it shouldn't be any Dollar-Store-Dave sh¡t!

Hester was the best to ever do it at his position. Cam? Come on, man.

Dude, what in the world?

Although I don't think Wilks was the greatest HC, I think he's a decent DC. Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs put up 12 points against the defense, and needed overtime to do it. That's about as good as one can hope for, in a championship game no less (without your excellent safety and in a game in which Greenlaw got injured). Firing him at this point looks extremely sketchy. I smell a rat, and it's not Wilks. I will now never ever root for Shanahan or the 49ers ever again (regardless if CMC is there or not). They're on the root-against-list along with the Cowboys.

At least Corral would've been throwing to a receiver that he was very familiar with. Mingo probably would've put up more than 500 yards as well.

It's an opportunity. That's good for him. I hope that he makes the most of it. He may find himself back in the big league one day.

I can see why many say that, and I agree somewhat, but Ladd has that sneaky speed, so he's not handcuffed to the slot. His route running is second to none in my opinion. He has some twitch and smoothness to his game as well. He puts me in the mind of an upgraded Cooper Kupp. Even if people don't agree, I can guarantee that he's the type of player that you want or your team as opposed to playing against him.

I'd rather have Ladd.

Hell, we can't do anything but build from the ground up. That's the position that Fitterer, Rhule and Tepper has left us in. We may have a cornerstone still standing in Derrick6 Brown, but it looks like an F4 tore through the team. I think that we should begin to see a semblance of a competitive team in 2025 and by 2026 we need to be competing for divisional championships again. I'm really not worried about Mahomes or KC---I'd love to meet them in the Super Bowl. They're obviously going to be the standard for a while. To be the man, you gotta beat the man. That's always true. My thing is that we have wasted time fumbling around in the NFCS which was prime for the taking the last couple of years. That window won't stay open forever. That's where the opportunity costs have really stuck out like a sore thumb.

I don't think Kelce looks washed, he was just banged up at a point during the season. I don't think that he's retiring, and he basically intimated as much tonight. I also don't believe that the Chiefs are resetting, as much as they are reloading. We might be seeing Kelce, like he said, at this time next year (with the same result). I ain't betting against Mahomes or Kelce. They may be put into better situations to succeed next year.

And, no, I didn't "catch feelings," as my responses in the threads will attest. I just thought it was incredulous to be saying Kelce was "washed." So that was kind of "weird" to me (like it was wishful thinking or something).