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Yeah, I remember when you were dogging CMC out before we drafted him. We went back and forth over CMC and Dalvin Cook. You didn't know more than the professionals then.

LOL. You know more than the people who do this for a business now. Unbelievable!

I know that, but (not trying to be a homer) you also have to take into account our guys as well. We had a very good receiving corps this year. Sure they take some targets away, but they also took pressure away. Does DJ really have the game to carry the receiving corps like Adams did? Does he have the nuanced moves like even rookie Justin Jefferson? Come on, man! D.J. is going to have to raise it a level! In my opinion, even someone like Samuel seems to play with more of a "killer" attitude, sense of urgency, and appears to be a more polished route runner! Mind you, I'm not saying that DJ isn't a very good receiver, but he's going to have to step up his game to be ranked higher.

And yet, NGS, Football Outsiders and PFF consider Adams second to none, with PFF and Football Outsiders ranking Moore about the same give or take four spots. I'd bet that if we could see a rank by NGS, they'd probably have Moore I'm the same area! Hell, even if you just run down receivers in your mind on each team, DJ would likely be around 20 to 25 in reference to route running and hands (and I haven't even mentioned efficiency and productivity). Stop being a homer. D.J. is a good receiver, but he's going to have to step his game up to be considered part of the cream of the crop.

Let's see what NGS has to say about Adams: "Adams was just as special as Diggs in 2020 when teaming up with Aaron Rodgers; he even landed on my list of top 10 MVP candidates last week, for good reason. Adams owned a catch rate over expectation of +9.9 percent and helped Rodgers post an incredible 136 passer rating when targeting him, which was far and away the best mark in the entire league when it comes to targeting one receiver. Adams' 18 touchdowns helped power that statistic, and he was also the most productive receiver on a per-route basis, gaining 3.1 yards per route run. Adams paired his typically elite route running with stellar outside performance, catching 13 of his touchdowns on targets outside the numbers and winning the perimeter." https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-stats-based-2020-nfl-all-pro-team-offense

So PFF is about the same as Football Outsiders. Wow! Ain't that a bitch?

Funny thing is, guess which receiver is rated the top receiver in the NFL by Football Outsiders? Moore is 20th!

Yep! Like it or not, they're market leaders! Give credit to Collinsworth if you like! PFF is not the only one, but ALL 32 teams use their service! Next Gen Stats (the NFL) was created in large part due to the success of PFF. Some of the guys you mentioned aren't looking at every play for every player and "grading" players as much as they're basically compiling stats. Don't hate on PFF for obviously better marketing!

PFF is the best and most extensive NFL metrics company out there in regards to grading players. They may not "lean on it", but as a whole, the NFL "leans" on PFF more than other services.

Apples to oranges, even if it's even true!

NFL franchises---probably all of them now---pay PFF for their services! And, they do it for a reason! They're a tool to be used in congruence with others, and I'm sure that professionals evaluate even more things within the context of each individual player. Don't get their stats and grades confused with their overall rankings which are obviously a little more subjective.

Adams is arguably the best receiver in the NFL currently. Until Moore can run routes like Adams, he won't reach Adams' level. That ain't got poo to do with the QB. Furthermore, like it or not, Moore plays with a better set of receivers! Sure, Teddy missed a wide open Moore on an occasion or two, but it was Anderson that benefitted the least from Teddy's obviously lacking skill set. Teddy missed Robby on several occasions because he didn't time his throw correctly, including near the end zone (I remember Romo pointing it out). This is not to say that Moore isn't our most valuable receiver (which is also arguable), but his route running still needs improvement! I'd like his hands (and Curt's) to be better, but no one is perfect! But Adams is pretty damned good (when he is on the field)!

Not really. All prospects don't have the same skill set, and there aren't 10 busts every year. Some QB classes are just better than others. You really seem to be going out of your way are to talk down about Lance. I remember people talking down about Herbert and Allen too, but you seem really invested in dogging Lance.

I told them the other day: don't confuse didn't throw to can't throw. That's not what I've seen of Lance. I think that he can make all the throws and that it's just a matter of being coached up and learning from experience! I think any kid can bust given the wrong circumstances, but I believe Lance has the mindset, arm and mobility to be something special.

Why? No one here (that we know of) has any say-so anyway! We're just slinging around opinions based on very limited knowledge as it pertains to drafting or the business dealings of the FO.

Why would any professional worth their salt do that? It's not really very analytical to exclude a game, or overblow it when juxtaposed against an entire season. I mean, you want to put it into context like any game. But I seriously doubt that scouts are going to exclude a game to play favorites.

I like Wilson, and, perhaps contrary to popular belief, I see why people would choose him over Lance or Fields (I said as much in a post after first seeing him). The one-year-wonder thing doesn't bother me nearly as much as his injury history. But, as long as his shoulder gets a 100 percent clean bill of health from doctors across the league, I won't think anything more about it.

Fields has the production for sure. He should though, coming from the superior program with markedly better talent. I don't think that he can necessarily throw better; honestly, that remains to be seen. I also believe that Lance might be physically stronger than Fields and is more nifty and improvisational with his legs.

Can't wait for the more in-depth look, Verge! Wilson, Lance or Fields will be exciting prospects! Wilson is somewhat of an enigma that came out of nowhere, but he obviously can play ball. I just hope he lives up to his considerable hype, especially for a team that will expect him to compete day one!

Verge already told you why Lance will be coveted; Lance has tools and a skill set that can be molded and refined into anything you want.

What in the world?

A masterpiece! I'm sure it applies to multiple people in this thread!

This sh¡t is crazy!

Though there is a lot of misinformation regarding taking Ibuprofen with coronavirus, experts really don't yet know if there are any I'll effects from the medication. Just to be safe, you might want to stick with acetaminophen for now.

They aren't counting or testing those bodies from what I've read. Our cases are skyrocketing. You can deny or rationalize all you like. We're handling things the stupid way, and lives, including health professionals', are being needlessly lost because of it. And if some idiots in high places have their way, it will be much much worse than it had to be!