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Regain some value out of a guy that has 54 TDs, 52 interceptions and 29 fumbles in 50 games... You seem to have a hard time understanding nuance. Being financially on the hook for Sam Darnold and being financially committed to him are two separate things. Lastly, if Tepper believes what he's saying, he's not lying. But, if he is lying and everyone knows he's lying, then it is of no strategic value at all, and you need to stop pushing such idiocy.

Not really. At least we now know that apparently Tepper has trust in Fitterer and is optimistic about the new injection of experienced staff. We also know that he is outwardly supportive of Rhule even though he mentioned him as somewhat of an afterthought on a few occasions. We know that Tepper is more patient than many thought, and that perhaps all the rumors of Rhule's seat being sizzling hot were perhaps exaggerated.

No, saying that a QB who has 54 TDs, 52 INTs, and 29 fumbles in 50 games is very good makes me shake my head. Get it right!

I wanted Tepper to speak to get a sense of what he thought about the current state of things and the direction of the franchise. From my perspective, I always thought that it was a little bit counterproductive to give him a fourth year and not a fifth because Rhule could indeed be thinking that he has to draft this way or take that chance, and simply make reckless moves for the short term without any consideration for the long term. I always had trouble reconciling Tepper keeping Rhule this season and allowing him to add so much experienced staff only to chop him off at the knees. Now don't get me wrong; I still believe that Tepper will chop Rhule off at the knees if we continue in 2022 where 2021 left off, but if we show improvement, I can understand why Tepper would keep him another season. That being said, I'm not fond of Rhule's shtick--maybe it's just his personality--and am skeptical about how he's coached thus far (including his handling of personnel). Maybe the veteran additions to his staff will make him better.

He shouldn't have said it because it makes the Panthers appear to be more of a clown show than we already are. It's not rocket science. You can't say someone is a "very good" QB when they have 54 TDs, 52 interceptions and 29 fumbles in 50 games. What you can say is that, "We need to stabilize the position," and we're going to add some competition to that end. That's believable and is "coach-speak", and is even respectable. You say something without appearing to be disingenuous. That's how PR works for those that want to know.

50 games! 54 TDs! 52 INTs! 29 fumbles! Is that action loud enough for you? Oh, the irony.

Who in the fug here said that Tepper should say that Darnold sucks? I'm waiting. It's straw man fallacy at its finest. If you're buying into it, you're as daft as a straw man.

All I can say is, "WOW!!"

It's not a debate if you're not even addressing the point. Furthermore, I'm not debating as much as I'm pointing out the absurdity of Tepper's words when juxtaposed against Darnold's career stats. Finally, I don't dislike Tepper the man or the owner. I'm not in that lot; you're assuming once again. I don't dislike Darnold the man, but I do dislike Darnold the QB based upon observation and his career stats. You and everyone else will know when I don't like Tepper. That time has not come at this point.

You love to hear yourself ramble on about nothing. At this point, you're only entertaining yourself.

Your entire line of posting here is one big straw man. You've intimated that I've said things that I haven't. You've used words like "befuddled" and "upset". Jon Snow had a mature response, and I responded to him in kind. Perhaps you should take a gander...

If you don't know when not to tell the truth and when to lie, and that they aren't the same thing, you haven't lived long enough to be trying to criticize me on such matters.

Your words would have some substance behind them...if Darnold wasn't one of the worst QBs with a clean pocket.

You are the one using the words "poo or act drab about a player." I never ever even suggested that Tepper should do that. What I did say is that he didn't have to lie through his teeth about Darnold being a "very good" QB, and I fully stand by that. That was unnecessary bullshit, and anyone with half a brain can see right through it. Throughout recent history, we've seen execs be coy about a QB's status. Saying that someone is "very good" when they're clearly not is stupid strategy (if strategy at all).

Nobody cares if it's right away or not. Sam might start the season as QB1--might--but he won't end the season as QB1. We're going to acquire a QB whether during the draft or afterwards, but we're going to do it. You can believe all that Darnold absurdity if you want.

QBs have been in "trash situations" since time immemorial. True franchise QBs will flash even in bad situations, and they will flash consistently.

I am not following that logic. McAdoo has said that very thing, plus Fitterer has informed everyone that he has told Darnold that we're adding to the room. Like Jon Snow has said, everyone knows our QB situation is sh¡t and that Darnold was pretty much sh¡t last season. This is not a secret. The only thing that people don't know is how we're actually attacking tomorrow night, and rightfully so. You're trying to manufacture intrigue in the wrong place, and ascribe strategy to something where in reality there is none.

I told you: "He's our QB right now", or something akin to that. He needs to take Fitterer's lead.

You're right. So was Zod when he said Tepper went too far. It's the ugly reality of the stats that really got me. Juxtaposed against Tepper's platitude, and something akin to a sh¡t show starts to come into focus. Perhaps tomorrow night will give us true clarity.

Not upset, just surprised by a nonsensical comment. That he's our QB right now, like Fitterer or McAdoo has said. He knows how to refuse to talk about other things--be noncommittal on other things. What he shouldn't say is that Darnold is "very good". That's absurd based upon Darnold's work.

I know we all think Tepper is either lying or is simply delusional when he said that Sam Darnold is a "very good" QB. I was listening to the local sports station in the Triangle when host Joe Giglio gave everyone a dose of reality about Darnold in the form of stats. And, yeah, I know that people say stats lie, but it's just hard to spin these regardless of whatever excuses that anyone wants to use to delude themselves into believing that Darnold is anything more than what he has been. In 50 games, Sammy has 54 TDs, 52 interceptions and 29 fumbles. That's horrible! There's no way that I believe that anyone can come to the conclusion that Darnold is anything but a bad QB from that. Even with the excuses, perhaps you can conclude that his ceiling is average, but based upon his career, the ceiling for him is not very good [see what I did there?]! Darnold has done nothing to raise the level of play for any team that he's played on (and, when I say "team", I'm thinking annually because each team is different). I simply don't believe that Tepper believes what he's saying in reference to Darnold; if he does, then we're all just wasting time here. He didn't want Cam, then he didn't want Teddy Bridgewater. He tried to get Matthew Stafford and then Deshaun Watson. Now, we're supposed to believe that he believes that Darnold is a "very good quarterback"? 50 games, 54 TDs, 52 INTs and 29 fumbles!

He may have said it, but it was almost like Rhule was an afterthought, and that's the general feeling that I got in that respect throughout Tepper's entire presser, though I kinda believe that he still may support him. I it's correct that they have made a concerted effort to keep Rhule away from the cameras as much as possible this offseason.

Tepper seems to support Rhule more than has been reported. I can actually appreciate his remarks regarding patience and building a foundation. The thing is, I was kind of believing what he was saying until he said Darnold is a very good QB. That's where he kinda lost me and I began to question whether he's just optimistic to a fault, spouting PR bullet points, or just being disingenuous.

People seem to be giving up on TMJ, but we've hardly seen him. Just remember that the kid is talented, and that's all I'm going to say.

Nah, man. Horn was a known quantity throughout the entire draft process, and he was linked to the Panthers pretty much throughout the process as well. All of us were pretty much hoping for Sewell, then it was a matter of Horn or Surtain, Slater, or possibly a QB if one fell. Horn's name became more prominently linked to us the closer that the draft approached.