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We needed someone with enough pedigree to keep Tepper out of the kitchen when he gets that OCD stare. Tepper will listen to him, at least early in the process. So let’s hope.

I don’t really like being put in a “crowd”. But if I must be in one, then let it be called the “we have some common sense” crowd. These trade ups where you pretend you won’t need that 1st rounder the next two or three years, giving paying that for never played in tne NFL quarterbacks…. who are they? They are not spoken of in the same terms as Maye, Williams, and guys from the past that people Knew were going to be really good pros. They are low percentage long shot ridiculous gambles that rarely payoff. If people want to be the old Saints, the old Bengals, Browns, keep rolling that way. Man there are a couple of guys who could have good careers maybe, if they don’t go to a team barren of resources to invest in making a better team around them.

Name a few ways please, that don’t involve luck.

If the ‘wind’ is behind New Orleans and Carr, Panthers probably could have had Carr if they really wanted. If the wind is behind Crappy teams that get these top two or three QBs, there is One of them I would sweat. Stroud. AR may be a worry but not for two or three years. Good luck to the team that rolls with Young that high. Not one of them is a sure thing. Panthes need to play the Panthers’ game, not a reactive game. I think they are, with this lukewarm courtesy meeting interest level re Carr. I am really really against giving up all the draft picks to move up, but if they believe so strongly in it, like, if that is their plan, okay I will give it another look.

He has to be on the field though. I don’t mind watching a rival team step in it. And if they sign him, we are going to want that to be a mistake no matter what you think of Jackson.

Looking at that money, I am cooler on it a but Carr plus keeping all our picks was the way to go. If not Carr then, next. Can’t help it. #9 all by its little self should get a QB. Honestly if I am gonna ridiculously overspend just to have something right now, I’d rather reach like hell with #9 than toss that and the most substantial part of our drafts in ‘24 and ‘25 to move 8 damned spots.

top dawg, you know QBs do not play each other. Straw man. I think Mr fuzz is pretty straight on it. For me, I’d elaborate to include Lamar isn’t getting any younger, and when you factor in the style of play (that is what he is basing his pitch on, it’s his game). The style is risky, and worse: the effect seems to be cumulative, it compounds the issue the farther into the career you go. Or can, and the issue is total hits, you know, how long can a player go before a breakdown or a decline maybe I should say. When these numbers mount up they start to matter. Games, hits, pulls, strains, tears, concussions, whatever other metric you want to use. Miles. If he retracts a part of his game that contributed to his value, the team will be paying more and probably a lot more, for less. Some kind of less. TBD. But also to be expected. At some point in that contract he is liable to no longer be the guy he is today or may be next year. You know what I am saying? We watched Cam. 20 million a year and That roster spot, we were lucky. Now it is 45 million. Guaranteed too. Were I Baltimore I would franchise, franchise, release before I would sign the deal he is demanding. Or let someone give me the picks and financial flexibility to get the next QB and reset the clock. If I were owner I would try to reason with him, and ask him not to back me into a corner. edit to add: I wrote from a Baltimore viewpoint, same goes for us, scepter we can’t franchise him obviously. I am bout to beg people to reclaim their senses and get out of this desperation ‘at all costs’ mentality that’s going around. Read a list of busted top ten picks or something.

So the Ravens will be screwed by not signing him to the deal he hopes to get, saving all that money, and then taking their two picks someone gives them? Add that to this year’s 1st they can replace him with the 1st overall pick on a 5 year rooking deal. I’d not feel too screwed. I’d feel screwed if an injury prone player successfully held me hostage for a fully guaranteed king’s ransome.

No trade to 3 please.

I feel the flooding the QB room too, you have the right evaluators you can get some good stuff for the coaches to work with.

RIP JR sir. Sail on. He treated me great in my only interaction with him and I was a nobody. That is what I know for sure. Along with the whole ‘got the NFL for people who were in NFL no man’s land’ thing. People born before like, probably around 1980, remember those times. I think I was over 40 years old before we actually had a team. Been an NFL fan my entire life really, since like 1960 when JR played and I was Baltimore Colts fan because my cousins moved there and… Johnny U. Crap I was watching the ‘Heidi’ game when they flipped the switch. Raiders I think? Long time. Chiefs maybe. AFC or AFL at the time, definitely. Believe me, the only good thing about not having a home team is you could be a front runner lol if your current team pissed you off enough. Quit ‘em. Nobody cares. Your friends don’t care. You can’t do that with a home team. Which we all have now. And to me that is JR’s legacy. Especially right now at this time. Anyway that is an attempt to explain why a lot of people want to give JR at least the love for things he did that benefitted us. Regarding his alleged wickedness, details would be nice. If he was a bad guy he might be trying to explain all that around now, somewhere. I realize there were settlements, but also realize those lawyer people will often advise the innocent that it is cheaper to settle. JR was old, rich as hell, had been dealing with serious health issues, he didn’t need any more trouble. So without proof it is simply what it is. Granted it is a slick trick for the accusers (NDA type settlements). But, maybe for the offenders at times, depending on what really happened. ‘round we go again. I just need actual real verified details before I banish the guy and wash my hands. Like Ray Rice in the elevator style evidence, of something. One real thing that would get you sued or maybe prosecuted. If you don’t have video, maybe some sworn testimony, all legal and binding. That sort of thing. We have standards for stuff like that, or we did I guess. That sort of protection goes for all of you as well. Not just a rich guy who founded a franchise. You get the benefit of the doubt without proof too. Always. And if you are guilty, well, again I quote John Fox….. So thanks again JR a lot of people appreciated you a lot. Hope you were not that guy.

That Eason thing could be viewed as fortuitous. Maybe not. Need to look for stuff on their time together. Synchronicity? I honestly cannot allow myself to care about Bryce Young’s skills at QB. How good he is or could be, immaterial. Endorsing a player of his size that high in the draft at that position, breaks every rule for me. Cut and dried. If this guy were 6’3”-6’4” even everyone would be justified all the way. 6’2”? Elevator going down..

As far as the Panthers inquiring, they need to know where every domino is likely to tip. They need to at the least dig up a feel for where he will go, as putting any good intel into the pot helps when they are cooking up the plans, as in plan A, plan B etc.

I loved watching Engram play in that big comeback playoff game. He was all business. I want one.

It was a radio interview so I didn’t actually see him do anything. Did you hear/see his comments? I haven’t even watched Richardson play one time. Don’t think I would be included in his fan club. But, the approach of taking a guy this year and signing the best vet QB we can sign, I like. I don’t even shy from Carr and a qb at #9, or later. You cannot really go wrong having two starting level QBs if the draft pick worked out. I guess you could trade the wrong one. Anyhow, make the Carr deal so you can bail after three at the most, and proceed with stocking the QB room. I don’t generally indulge in fantasy but I imagine how cool having some brain trust that was all about developing QBs and being selected by or spending time in Carolina became like, an endorsement of a player. Step right up, bring your draft picks. We’ll make more.

I thought Fitterer lit up talking about him and that extended through the comments immediately following, about the new regime and QB development. Edit: in the Kyle Bailey wfnz interview.

ehh, I’d rather take another shot to stave off watching two years go by with no high picks and a poo QB they took because…. we have to draft our own, NOW. Hell a properly officiated game in Atlanta the Panthers Would have been in the playoffs, as bad as they were. If Rhule would not have been such a dumbass they’d have never brought in Mayfield maybe this poo would be better resolved. Throwing Darnold away for a new flavor of not great either, just new…. that’s what they did last year.

I just wish I didn’t have to look at him in an action ad on this site all season after he was gone. Like pictures of your hot ex gf cattin it up after your breakup. Sort of.

People saw what he did last year. Most of it was good. Some was really good. I think Wilks did him right in bringing along slowly. I am going with, because I can’t overlook it: he has the prototypical physical gifts a passer needs and he is mobile. And 25. And we have a supposedly top QB whispering staff. I just don’t see trading up for some kid who wouldn’t beat him out in a legit competition, as being ideal. Maybe I am wrong about the guys in this draft, but I haven’t forgotten about Darnold. Who knows how this goes.

Still a win. I believe you are underestimating the effects of those. Honestly you are talking around these threads like a spoiled child. Like lots of Panthers fans. I want it now. Now. NOW! Don’t care about the cost. I don’t either that much but it needs to be kind of set in stone that this is what to do. So obvious that even I can see it. We are not there, and a mistake (with those stakes) really buys you some misery. edit: I didn’t really mind the latest Athletic mock where we went #9 and a later pick to move up two or three spots for a guy. It is the massive wager of the next 5 years or even ten to get out of a mess you made yourself. Like, time to stop digging the hole deeper.

For the record, this team has had five solid seasons of losing. I have a hard time (with) complaining that we won’t go deep in the playoffs the next couple of years if we sign Carr. My number one goal would be to establish a winning culture. You have to win to do that. Carr would mean we would be likely to get that done. You can always go deeper in year three or four when you have your successor, who has been brought along in a winning organization, by a pro. Hard to overvalue having a competitive team that will have a lot of wins, will bust down the two in a row wall, and maybe go on to three or four or five straight winning years. Depending on how they draft starting now. edit: if the team doesn’t want Carr, fine. I guess. I mean, if they know the6 can get Mr young long term starter in the draft that’s fine. I don’t believe that person would realistically be there for us if he exists.

The full potential of the coaching staff. Hmm, how does that work? Give them a full of talent kid who really only needs tactical coaching, he has every tool and mechanical refinement. Will your full potential be needed on a guy like that? Take another on, say you have a guy like Minshew. Change it to Darnold. Whatever, I can’t think of the best example right now. I bet they have to work a bit harder. You might be working to your full potential. I think they are most valuable if they knew to take example one. First test of their abilities. Because they were good enough to know the difference between that guy and others like him that bust out. If you get the right qb it doesn’t matter if you gave two 1sts or three. Bu5 if you get the wrong one, you will think dammit Darnold or Minshew was sitting right there and we were so damned smart. You will be thinking g that for YEARS.

Carr. I was dead set against another reclamation project but I don’t trust any of these QBs enough to bet the farm on. This team is ready for a QB and Carr isn’t a reclamation project. He isn’t chopped liver as they say, Panthers would probably be favored to win the division with him, I would think. For that matter if a QB they love fell to 9 you they still take him if they felt that strongly. I wouldn’t expect that to happen but if so, it’s a problem that can be lived with better than no QBs. And we need a room with at least one to train. Two being groomed is better but if Carr is the guy they will need an experienced backup.

Against making exceptions to the no 1st round picks on RBs rule. Unless you're hiking the ball to them.

I can’t imagine being unhappy with this after the first 5 Tepper seasons. It is looking maybe a little excessive with the ex Panther connections but those seem solid as heck if you take that away. Making it potentially massive. You can redefine (for those who missed it the first time), reinstall the personality and values of the organization. And do it with the most credible proponents you could want here teaching the newcomers. That could be really impactful long term (look how long it took the Raiders to totally eradicate ‘Commitment to Excellence’ once it took hold. Decades). And newcomers, Evero isn’t someone I knew much about but I am a defensive football lover. More so when they played a contact sport but anyhow Evero is the up and comer that checks all the boxes right behind Ryans. And has more experience coaching football as far as it goes. He should be bringing us some good defense. The LB coach he brought has a nice little track record too. It all looks good. Looking at the players he has to work with, it might resolve some of my feelings about passing up the picks for Burns. There is just no way you pass on that for your light and fast no run stopping 4-3 DE. But in another alignment it might be more understandable. Few UFAs and Lots of picks. More talent than the typical last place type need a new coach team. It is a pretty good situation. The only thing they can really screw up is the first big thing they are gonna do. Which I won’t bitterly hold that against them if they don’t throw draft picks out the window doing it. Missing on your first rounder at 9 is a big setback but happens and shouldn’t kill you. It gets a lot worse the deeper you go. I will support anything you want to do at QB except trading the future for a fantasy. I really hate it worked out this way for Wilks and wish he could be part of it because I think they are going to do a good job here finally. And I have a much better feeling about Tepper than I ever had. Better not go overboard here though.