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Yeah and that licking poo off the wall? Disturbing imagery. Ruined my lunch.

I don’t know. If he isn’t gonna be ready by camp, or they figure him to be too far behind to meaningfully compete, that’s the breaks. Also, you have to figure Indy scouted him too. Maybe there is something there. [makes me wonder if there is anything in the Indy combine blogs or something from last year]

It doesn't have to mean they are unwilling. They could be willing but if he is not going to be ready to compete they have to focus elsewhere. I don't see where this is leading to anything that could impugn this staff's football IQ, attitudes, if they don't have enough to stick with him. It's just circumstances. It would be disappointing if he went elsewhere and started in the next year or two, and did a great job. No doubt.

Jameis Winston gives me the creeps though.

People are unhealthily obsessed with the NOW. Desperation clouds minds. Nothing wrong with fixing a QB if you can do it. But they have bad experiences that just push it all deeper and make it harder to rid them of the bad. They go high to bad teams and that is a recipe for snafu. Like my rescue cat (inherited) some things are in so deep they will never change , that seems to be a problem with these recycled QBs though some of it is they just failed because they weren’t good enough in the first place and were overdrafted by bad desperate teams. Hmm. Wonder why I don’t want to trade up at this price? I say find one you can fix that hasn’t been NFL a programmed by someone else. Find ten you can fix. Seriously, put a bunch on the practice squad and start training them. If we get raided we have more. Competition mixed with a great opportunity brings it out of some people and you will see who to focus on. Keep the best and shuffle out the rest. Only you really know how they are doing so poaching is a crap shoot. Okay one reason people will shoot this type of plan down is that it doesn’t get us a Super Bowl this year. Or next year. Apparently they hate that. Probably a lot of other reasons that wouldn’t work, and a lot of people here are just waiting to tell people why they are dumbasses, so come on. I’d just like to long term solid develop something that lasts. To me that is more valuable than immediate gratification and what might follow that without solid foundation. The Rams are a great example. They got their year in the sun, now it is time to feel the pain for a while. Meh…. Rather have years of good where the chance to compete for that SB is consistently realistic.

[responding to La Pantera)There is just no way you can call it good on Corral’s part though, regardless of the play of others that made it more difficult. There were scrubs across the LOS too. Anyhow I think I actually said I wouldn’t judge him off of one time. I didn’t say anything about what they saw in practice and meetings because I don’t know. If it matched that on field failure then there is your answer. A lot of people mention that preseason game. One, a second look may get a different reaction, or not. 2) there it is for quick and easy viewing. That’s all it is.

https://nflreplay.net/condensed-ps-week-1/ That leads to the condensed speed watch version of the 1st preseason game vs Washington. 4th quarter is Corral. He completed his first pass. That’s it. At least one should have been caught but he wasn’t good. In his defense neither was the protection. But on one play he just threw the ball without really having a plan other than please someone on our team catch it. He couldn’t have had a specific target in mind. Really ill advised throw. Horrible ball security. Okay it was his first pro ball experience. You don’t condemn him to banishment over that, at that point in his development. But if it were to keep happening you surely would take him off the field. Overall I didn’t think he looked as horrible as I remembered but no way you could call it good. Make up your own minds, watch the 4th quarter.

Lisfranc was a bad break for him. It is touchy recovery, and we don’t have any information about how he is coming along. Then the timing. It doesn’t seems as if he is gonna be ready to compete. I am looking at all that before I am looking at coaches liking or not liking him. But man he better hope somebody burns whatever hard drive his preseason play is stored on.

You have some kind of syndrome. Try the same standards you are putting on this Darnold with the rest of the quarterbacks we have had the last 20 years and see how that works out. You can find entire off seasons where none of them “could be bothered”.

Mayfield way too high.

As do fans of those teams. I hope we can shake this desperation mindset.

I have to say, it is only necessary to move up to the 1st overall if a generational can't miss barely any downside guy is there. A clear consensus. I don't see that guy in this draft. I don't think Chicago sees that guy, or the pick would not be for sale. Nearly all my negativity towards trading up stems from this: you probably don't have to go too far back to find a draft where the 4th rated, 5th rated, or lower, turned out to be the best QB pick. For me, the 9th pick is an acceptable risk for where the roster is and could be with 2 seconds this year and 1sts every year. If he isn't there, get your next highest rated QB wherever you have to. Higher, lower, however it falls, you are taking your next best rated QB. Plan on doing that the next year too. Until you have something special. It will come. If these coaches are as advertised they will get production out of an average QB, and average is the floor.

Okay, "years of folks questioning.... based on nothing.... "? What does that even mean? I think you are trying to say that people questioned his commitment based on... a feeling? I'm not sure. When you saw him state that he wasn't changing things though he was competing with a new teammate for his job, you go from what is maybe an innocous comment so similar to what many athletes say about their preparation. That it is a routine, and they don't change it for something like that. Anyhow, it goes straight to indictment time. Your words here: He openly admitted he did not bother to change anything about how he prepared when he was competing with Baker Mayfield in camp last year. Have you not seen people make these comments many times over in thje past? It is kind of a cliche answer from players. And, Openly? Didn't Bother? THE NERVE OF THE GUY!!!!! He just shockingly admitted that he has a preparation routine and didn't change it, as if it is him saying, nah fug it I don't give a damn. I can't take you seriously with all that window dressing. That just isn't the real story. Go ahead and throw out some insults, ignore me, whatever works for you.

I don’t see anybody claiming Darnold is “bound for greatness”. I am going to suggest that you are interpreting his comments beyond their context and using that in your sales pitch for your opinions. So okay, fine. I see it that way. May not be correct, but the fact that Darnold or any athlete may have stuck to his same routine isn’t necessarily an accurate barometer of his competitiveness inside the lines. And again, so we do not leave this buried, I have not seen anyone suggest he is bound for greatness. Laughing as I consider that you are claiming that. It is a humorous thought. Show me who said that and I will mock them lol.

I'd be good with anything that allows us to have 1st round picks in the future too. You have to still build the team, you need the picks. So dead set against selling out for a kid that is not recognized as the second coming at QB. Which is apparently the goal of half the fans.

To say they had him ride the running game, yep. correct. True. He was asked to make some throws. He made some real nice ones. He missed some too.

He isn’t evil, just misguided and a bit obsessed.

That’s unfair. And is an effort to demean the intellect of people who don’t agree with YOU. And it is intellectually disingenuous to ignore unequal situations to make your weak ass argument. Why should people have to spend time to correct you? Just come correct in the first place. Be honest in your sales pitch’s and arguments at least. Lamar will cost a fortune Both in picks And salary. It is literally the worst deal going if that is the cost.

Yeah. Understandable form a fan base that still has people thinking they should bring Cam 1.0 back.

I think giving credit to a coach for a QBs success is fine, but why would Daboll be the only coach qualified to use him properly? I actually don’t mind thinking about Jones. I don’t know enough about the guy really but why shouldn’t people look at it? Maybe that 45 million asking price? Maybe they are skeptical because he may have had a single good year out of 4? Though, maybe the light bulb is coming on. Id rather sign Sam at this point to be honest but open to having my mind changed. We can still draft a QB. Still will have Corral if that matters.

On the plus side he can hide really well at that height. They won’t be able to find him to sack him. But really, I think about all those Mayfield batted passes, and envision the same thing. The Russell Wilson trajectory, because he has to get it over the big guys. And I remember watching Flutie. I see that as t(e issue more than him being carted off or something. And I sure hope that isn’t the menu 17 times a year.

Maybe he will be providing a positive addition to my bookmarks soon. Almost anything would be more substantial than spouting the company line.

If I thought it was actually safe, I wouldn't be so negative towards it.

I saw someone complaining he dropped a lot of passes. Shocked to hear it. He's a guy that might be fun to twist one up with but I wouldn't have him on my football team.

That's interesting. I am hoping they can identify talent that isn't appreciated by fans, because there is a category of successful QBs that were overlooked/underrated when ranking prospects. Mostly because these long odds high stakes highly speculative guessing gambles people are focusing on, are not making me optimistic. I am down to hoping these new decision makers are smarter than Mac and Bone and all you pie in the sky posters here that want to give it all up for a shiny new trendy toy.