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It’s okay, they are gonna go with Golf Rules to be fair to everyone, Handicap system. Young will get a few strokes.

Seems like people for Young are being more aggressive with the justifications. Napoleon complex maybe? Don’t know how many more times people can say no thank you nicely How about this: how many Young advocates are 6’3” or thereabouts and how many are under 6’? I have a presumed outcome here.

He'll probably heed his wife this time, and this time she won't be right. If you are untrained, 50% is good. That is the 'Panthers way' right there.

I'm pretty much there, I did not want to get 1st choice, a good value gamble at original 9 suited me just fine.

I more vote against a particular candidate. Voting for Stroud. Lesser of the two potential evils.

Not really. The owner wants a college QB and will pay whatever it takes to make it happen. He'd have paid hell firing Wilks though, if Piniero made the gimme. Makes me wonder if Tepper paid him a little extra to help him out with that. Now Piniero decides it wasn't enough, talks with Tepper and here we are. Ha I am just kidding. Thought it isn't hard to imagine.

Thank you. We are on the same side, glad we are good. Lol I own a F150, but it's just a truck not a political statement. I just needed a truck to take my boat a half mile down the way to the local landing.

Made? I don't mind your posts about football, not one bit. No problem. I agree with parts of them. No one should be made to do a damned thing.

I can make a guess as to what's bloated... err, I meant inflated. Right.

I am hoping he does well. Especially when they play other NFCS teams.

I don’t even know, I don’t watch a ton of college. I do watch SEC more than the rest but that isn’t enough watching to make me know much. I am a pretty typical fan. I know bad footwork leads to errant throws, but I could not assess the footwork of a QB and judge anything off of what I see. I am untrained for that job. I can see when a guy loafs, or takes a bad angle, or looks lost. But it’s all general observation stuff that people who pay attention will see. I And I can see 5’10” eye to eye. He is going to have to be really, exceptionally great to excel at the NFL level.

Yeah if they offered a 1st then someone thought he was worth it. I always struggled to see elite in DJ. Not that I thought he sucked or wanted to bench him or trade him or that sort of thing, I guess when Smitty said “they finally replaced me” when they drafted DJ I expected to see more and it just stuck with me.

Re Young, I see people making this argument that he is in the SEC and playing against the people he will be playing against in the NFL, and is fine. I guess that seems like proof to a lot of people but not All those players are going to the NFL. And, none to very few, are what they will be after a single season of NFL football. Men. Real honest to goodness badass, Men. That is a big difference I have yet to see someone use coaching as a rebuttal, but it is for sure a variable not being accounted for in that particular argument being made on Young’s behalf. You guys know that a db coach at Missouri or Florida, or SC, is not going be at the level of tneir NFL counterparts, with an exception here or there granted. Like Wilks was at Missouri, okay he is an exception. Extrapolate that to HCs, OCs, DCs, OL coaches, the whole collection of college football coaches. Even the top HCs are generally not up to NFL level. Young will have to go against much better coached players, and schemes where even the weak player being protected was a college all star. So there is no direct parallel, at all really. It seems like an argument that just won’t fly.

Well, I have been thinking since a couple days after the deal that they don’t trade DJ unless they see TMJ as fitting into their plan. Especially when there were other pieces they could have substituted I am thinking “which of the players that Chicago would accept as compensation, can be replaced with the least pain?” should have been a topic inside the Panthers’ think tank, when debating the deal. If there really were multiple possibilities, here comes old ‘due diligence’. You have to have that conversation. If you believe that was discussed you may as well believe TMJr is a factor. It’s reasonable, no? Yes? I’d be maybe buying some of his stock about now.

I did not want to pay the price to get to 1. Now that is done, I have to pick. Stroud. His accuracy and size, win a 2 way head to head. edit: yep, I am a sizist.

I’d figure at the least the defense will be a work in progress with new coaches, plus the new guys and the returning guys will all be at square one. Some new guys may be ahead from playing for Evero before. If we are scheduled to play our division games later, it probably helps us. Could be in trouble early just from not having played enough. I really think we are gonna run it near Wilks level on offense to try and help the D and the new QB.

Omitting variables as important as size invalidates the evaluation for me. Would Vegas do that? No. In the situation the Panthers are in now, at number 1? Whoever is the most pro ready passer, within the prototypical NFL QB size parameters, my choice. I see that as Stroud. But I didn't want them to move to #1 in the first place; my answer was always whoever falls to #9.

I am with the year three and he showed a little last year. And the tools he has. And I just don’t think DJ gets moved if they don’t think TMJr is ready to contribute more.

Not a fan but defer to the ex pro QB that is running the team. He should know what he is looking at, and knows what he needs.

This is all sour grapes. Both 'sides' of it. Him all butthurt, I get. Why are fans? Yeah, he is the unwanted one here, in realty. And is hurt by it. He'll respond I think. Maybe not Smitty level destruction, but a Carolina Chicago game could be fun. edit: or really depressing. Also, didn't Moose play for Lovie there? They wanted to have that old Chicago defense. And had some really good players. But they had Lovie. and

Marshall was really good in college, looked pretty good as the year went on last year and is coming into year three. Hope that he can blossom isn’t absent

Point taken. Though I don’t think anyone was pushing back too hard on Wilks’ lead.

Not to discredit Fitterer, as in my book he gets a clean slate post Rhule post Tepper 2.0 (we’ll see how long that lasts). But Wilks was the Robbie reason. Loved it too. Take no BS. Fit did his job to clean up the mess and make something out of the spilled milk. edit: if I could rule out the other suspects, Fit would be being looked at harder though.

You can’t get blood from a stone, unless you hit someone up side the head with it. Where is this number one WR supposed to come from? Outside chance of Hopkins I guess. In practical mode, I am thinking Marshall Jr hopefully is stepping up. He has the tools. Shi Smith could as well. I know…. But what is another realistic development? Add one of the FAs, maybe get back into the 1st but these young WRs don’t traditionally give you much immediately. What else to hope for?

Honestly, taking a pay cut when the alternative is no job, not selfless. It is self preservation.