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The ones who test positive call him Bryce, as if he is already their buddy. Not Young. Not Bryce Young. Bryce.

He said stuff about Stroud, that could be good too but people don’t listen to that. It remains to be seen if one or both or neither will succeed. The stuff about Stroud having his platform mechanically integrated with his eyes was interesting. Whether that is an efficiency advantage depends on his processing being correct. Which I don’t believe Smitty dogged. I think he said Young was excellent but that didn’t mean Stroud was bad. Paraphrasing from memory. Take the snap, take a couple of seconds to assess, and the ball comes out quickly and accurately. With touch when required. That sounds a lot better than Bryce Young to me. So, it becomes can he really do that? That is what you will bet. Yes or no. Young should be a fallback, honestly. [comparing them as an i5 chip (Stroud) vs an M2 chip is a definite exaggeration for my money]

oops left the quote out sorry Yeah good points. And I am not much past reasoning it will take time to get it right team wide (always does), plus you have to get the roster adjusted. I know they have brought in some guys they hope work out. The D probably will be pretty loose early on. Haven’t seen who we play the first few games.

Maybe you are right. They might also be the teams allowing impatient teams to err at the top, and swoop in and get their SB winner later and cheaper. Maybe that is the paradigm.

Big whatever on the NFL #1. Until someone actually does and changes the paradigm, you just do not take a player that size for that position at 1.1. If this needs to be explained to you I seriously hope you are not named Frank Reich, Scott Fitterer or David Tepper. I would buy that the NFL is going flag football just without the flags, and if Tepper has assessed things that way, and that is why they may be serious… I yield my opposition.

I am having a little bit of a hard time with people (outside pundits) talking about us in terms of having a good defense. We have no real idea what we will get, I don't expect it to be good this year, honestly. Traditionally, this sort of reshuffle takes you a step back before there will be a step forward.

For you folks saying how Young played in the SEC against NFL talent, that won’t listen to a fan that tries to explain where it is not exactly how you want people to think it is.

All they could think about was their raging “need” for a QB. Nothing else mattered. All costs, and all that.

I don’t have a problem with it. What he he got to lose? He wants to play, To be on a team. To make some money lol. All worthy pursuits.

I don’t know enough to foresee whether Young will be more injured from a hit than Stroud, but for sure a penalty flag is like cops making an arrest after an assault has taken place. The victim is still the victim. If a player was injured, he’s still injured. There’s enough incidental/accidental stuff in any given NFL play to do a body part in, ruthlessly too. In an instant you are just done. And sometimes friendly fire does it. Also I am more inclined to wonder about Young’s arm than most people, it appears. I am not sold on him having an above average NFL arm, and what he is doing to compensate costs time and space that he may not have to spare. Not gonna go deep on it, I think others that know more than I do see it too.

Pretty sure, when interviewing coaching candidates, Tepper subtly or not, framed the trade up as an offer you can’t refuse. Probably asked questions about retread QBs in such a way that there was one obviously one answer that might get you the job and one that might get you “we’ll be in touch….”. Honestly I don’t really value anyone at the price we are paying but if they put that into Young I will think they have lost their minds. People here, y’all are not pros so I don’t expect you to not be emotional fans, but Fitterer, Reich, and the rest of them are pros. I keep telling myself that ha ha. But I would be pretty well shocked if they take Young, so am not stressing over it when I hear someone say they will. I just don’t believe it Personally I am looking forward to seeing which guy falls out of the top 5 and how far. And which of the non top four qb prospects gets picked the highest. Just to see where reality puts things.

Put him in the concussion protocol.

I’ll try and help with the irritating Bryce Young fan club part. No Panther fan is supposed to be a rabid fan of the player in this situation. If you are looking at college players, they are draft prospects. But I see Bryce this, Bryce that. No one has ever been successful at his weight and size, But Bryce Will Be! Bryce Bryce Bryce Bryce lol. It is too important for the fanboy mindset. And finally, defending the guy for playing games with his weight and whatever else he declined to do, is kind of fanboy stuff too. That is a legit thing to question. At the least gets an incomplete compared to those that were open books. His agent telling him to not throw, weigh, whatever, that’s NA. It’s not a magic thing that makes what he did or didn’t do go away for people who question it. They are still going to question it and rightly so. It was likely a calculated decision, risk/benefit wise. That’s me. Am I warm for anyone else? As for Bryce Young I drew the line long ago, decades. He is too small for ‘my’ team, at that roster position, at that draft position. Ditto his arm, it’s not 1A from what I can tell. There isn’t really any question for me, but I hope he can prove me wrong with whoever drafts him. I don’t hate him. I do hate him at one and it has nothing to do with another player. If we were at 9 I’d be interested if he fell. To me he is a longer shot player but that price is more tolerable.

Between QB and CB, (with all those draft picks spent) we could have stocked a team just about

Well, yeah. That was sort of what I was getting at. If we were at 9, him being what he is, doesn't bother me. It does at 1. You have to take the most ready. We are in agreement. (I think)

It sounds great to say they play against NFL guys, it's still not the NFL. It is college. Yes a few step right in, like, it is obvious. But NFL fans know even they are going to be better after a year in the league. So none truly give you what an NFL player does, in college. And then they will be playing against 11 NFL guys together playing on the field. Coached by better coaches with better tools, it is exponentially higher level. So people are mostly guessing. Like someone said, if a QB obviously worthy of a huge trade up for was in the draft, the pick wouldn't be traded. None of these QBs are sure things at all. I think a couple are real long shots.

I’m no Rivera fan. Well, I respect him as a DC and ex player, but am no fan of modern Rivera. And he gives me the vibe of a halfway house counselor anymore. But maybe he doesn’t want to do that again. He didn’t bring Cam in up there and could have. edit: and also we know they have issues there whether Ron addresses them or not. And it is lying season anyway. Who knows.

Me too on ILB.

Too bad AR wasn’t two years older this year. He’d probably be filled out and more experienced and here we sit. Can’t play around though, considering the investment made to acquire this year’s pick.

I am happy to see Ellis say that about the #1, proves he is intelligent. If it were Just that, it would still be too big a gamble but there would be life after. It would not kill you. (edit: but DJ, and the other haul we gave up, kills you) It is like Monty Hall showing you the three doors, you usually give up all your winnings and there is a jar of mustard behind the door.

Doing the trade scared me. Did not want. I think somebody falls and am more comfortable gambling a single 1st round draft pick on that guy and still having DJ. plus all those other players the picks are going to get for Chicago. Now that it is done, this is the reality. I am looking harder into the 'top two' options. I would be mad and lose a lot of faith in Reich if they did all that for Young.

I'm old. Math seems different now than it did when I went to school. I will try and explain with an example made for this draft pick math. Teachers never used number one picks for problems, so I will use apples. The Green apple is the 1st pick. The red apple represents picks elsewhere in the 1st round. Here we go: Johnny has two red apples, but his girlfriend Slutty Sally likes green apples better and Johnny is scared she'll cheat with Jimmy because guess why. Jimmy has a green apple but no girlfriend and thinks two red apples is better than one green one. So Johnny and Jimmy decide to trade. Johnny gives Jimmy both of his Red apples, and Jimmy gives his Green apple in return. Deal. How many red apples did the green apple cost? Hint... it is not one. He had two. If he had only given one, he would still have two. One green, one red. Still don't get it? This new math allows 2 to identify as 1? Is that it?

I haven't watched game tape of Young, and won't after seeing his pro day. He uses everything he can to get the ball launched. There is some little move that he does, that moves him forward a little where he then starts his throwing motion. He needs the depth and time to do a deep throw, and you can't judge that from watching college and say it will be fine (okay, you can), you need to extrapolate that to NFL speed, size, and smarts. The coaching staffs are wilier than college. I don't think he will be able to step up and what I envision or foresee is him abandoning the pocket and taking off, will be his main game. Then I watch a guy flick his wrist to throw, the ball comes out fast and flying right, and goes where he wants it. And, the guy takes snaps under the center. Pro. Football.

I take the 'from afar" to mean they aren't looking close enough and are missing things.

Trading what they did is not playing anything 'safe'. That was the throwing of the dice. You are trading to be sure you don't take 3rd choice in a two horse race. Doubling down on that for a long shot is bad strategy. If your life depends on it, that is when you try that. It doesn't.