TheMaulClaw

That was with the Jets. Either way Derrick Brown is not getting the inside push, which speaks to his strength and leverage.

Star was also much stronger for us then Derrick Brown. Derrick Brown is more like Make Kemoatu, but even that is a stretch.

I didn't see room for growth on his frame. Frame may be a bad word, I saw a guy who might be maxed out on his strength potential. Compare the bodies of let's say Kris Jenkins with Derrick Brown

Agreed, that money needs to go into the trenches first. Then maybe a TE, then maybe another LB.

I don't think the fanbase is completely healed, but it's on it's way. I think it'll be healed once we finally bring in a galvanizing coach.

What bothers be about Rhule is on the field, not off. He does have a mildly high pitched voice which is annoying though.

He's a good player, worth a good contract, not worth the contract he'll ask for. No doubt we let him walk....and if we don't then it'll be time for a fire Fitterer thread. There's just no need to bring him back with Horne, Henderson, and Traylor there. I WOULD like to see Gilmore brought back on a two year deal.

Joey Slye has been changing teams all years so he could play the Panthers again and again. Don't forget Houston Slye.

How many holding calls did they have? How long we're their drives? Them converting 3rd downs had to do with a bunch of 3rd and 2's and 3rd and 1's, with a run game we could not stop with no holding calls. What they did on 3rd down doesn't effect what happened to us on 3rd down. I don't think we called great 3rd down plays, but when you're spending 1st down just trying to make up holding yardage, it will creep into your 3rd down conversion rate. Unless your Washington because we decide to give a 20 yard cushion after two sacks, because we're idiots.

I don't think Cam came back to earth other then catching an L. In watching that game I was thoroughly impressed with Cam. He almost got a W that we did not deserve. The Oline is catching a lot of heat and rightfully so, and I agree Brady did some good things in the game. The calls on the last drive were awful, but he did some good things. I just don't know how we can look at this game and think it was anything other then the D. If the D is able to get them off the field we probably score 31 points this game. The complete defensive collapse between the 2nd and 3rd quarter was the difference. And yes Jackson was exposed yesterday. I still think he's a good player, and many players have bad games from time to time. Overall he's had a good year, but an awful game yesterday, but so did the rest of the secondary and the linebackers.

3rd downs we're a problem mainly due to drive killing holding calls. The reason we lost that game is quite honestly our D poo the bed and couldn't get them off the field. On that final drive, once we past mid field and there was still 1:20 seconds left on the clock, the run should have still been an option on that 3rd and 4th down.

I'm not sure if it's coaching or not along the Oline. At least not the position coach. I think Rhule has been bad for the Oline. The Oline played well last week, and Rhule decides to cram a guy in there who just comes off of injuries. It's like he can't help but trot a new starting O line rotation out there every week. Overall what we're seeing is a lack of talent there. I have seen improvement in their pass protection to be fair. We have run the ball a bit better in recent weeks. It's discipline that we need to hone in on. Honestly I was expecting a few false starts this week. New qb, new cadence and the like. I am happy that they were able to keep Cam from taking any big shots. I think a bigger problem is Brady, but even this week that's hard to judge because Cam was limited in terms of the playbook. We should have done to Washington what they did to us. They had us on skates because of the playaction and their ability to run the ball. We ran the ball well, but didn't utilize playaction enough. One of Rhule's supposed selling points when he was hired was his ability to keep players healthy through a modern analytical snap to rest ratio sort of thing. He was supposed to be skilled at player recovery. That's proved to be a bunch of bullshit. I'd say should draft a few new starting OL, but the reality is...they'll get hurt. Something that Rhule is doing is leaving the OL vulnerable to injury.

Offense was not the problem. Cam moved the ball on every drive, every drive that didn't work out was killed by penalties....outside of the last drive. In spite of that, this game was a 100 percent on the D. I went into this game thinking the same thing as you....run the dual qb system again. To my surprise, that was the least of our worries.

They threw crippling flags every time we were about to seize momentum....that said our players do dumb stuff at bad times.

Rivera managed to win his revenge game while still helping Cam.....respect.

Biggest problem with the Oline is the needless penalties. You take the penalties away, while not perfect, they played well enough.

I had a sense that it was a bad pick when we drafted him. I didn't like his frame, he's big, but he didn't look powerful enough relative to what's being asked of him.

I'll always watch the Panthers, but yes the Hurricanes are my main squeeze. The Panthers and the Hornets could both learn a lot from that organization....namely, how to hire a coach.

Tough loss, a lot of things went wrong...however one thing that went incredibly right was Cam Newton. Its unfortunate that our coaching ineptitude and piss poor run D cost us this game....but that was a hell of a performance by Cam for his first real game back. The reason Im so pissed about this game is because Cam came in and played so well for his team to let him down.

You guys notice never any holding calls on NFC east teams when we play them?

Another dub. Tough road trip, wasn't pretty but great job. It's actually kind of nice to see the team win a shootout. I can tell they're spoiling me, because I felt frustrated even though we won.

As long as the plays aren't easily telegraphed, and there are a blend of plays that carry over to each qb to keep the D off balance then I think that's the appropriate approach for this week.

Very rarely do you ever see a guy throw a bomb 50 plus yards unless it's hail mary time....If he can throw 40 yards downfield accurately that is enough. Also how do you know what the status of his shoulder is? I mean you might be right....but have you seen his MRI? Are you at practice? How do you know?

Preseason is largely meaningless, but there are some things you can take away. Example, Cam's throwing shoulder. We all know when he left here the first time he couldn't throw because of the injury. Seeing him in preseason at least show he can deliver the ball is a big deal. I mean the fear with Cam's shoulder is that defenses can just crash down without the fear of the deep ball. If Cam has his deep ball back, he has his game back.

Other teams compete well in the 1st and partly through the second because of adrenaline. Second half of the game, our conditioning and depth really shines through.