DaveThePanther2008

I doubt they pick up his option. He'll be backup next season. We have to address this position either through the draft or Free Agency.

So looking at the current standings we are 15th in draft order. Several teams will probably pass us especially if we actually lose out. There are 3 teams that most definitely will be drafting a QB Jets, Raiders and Saints Cardinals (Murray), Dolphins (Tua) and Houston (Stroud) with question marks Browns Gabriel and Sanders but maybe they jump on another QB if they get high pick Titans (Ward), Commanders (Daniels), Falcons (Penix) Giants (Dart) Vikings (McCarthy) all young QBs but most likely wont' be drafting a QB. Dallas (Dak) and Bengals (Burrow) doubtful I doubt Jets, Raiders and Saints surpass us in wins. So we'd be in the window for the 4th best QB in a bad QB class.

So, who is it you want?

You're basing this off of one season as a starting QB? The offensive line he had was terrible, yet he still threw for nearly 4000 yards. He has a big arm. Granted he has some faults but So did Darold, so did Mayfield but they changed. Winston had several years of gunslinging as you say. Howell had one season. The only reason they moved on from him was falling into Daniels. I think of everyone on this list Howell has as many good qualities as any.

I'm not sure why so many of these posts leave Sam Howell off the list. He had good numbers with Washington and as far as I've been able to see he's still on his rookie contract. (Doesn't mean there isn't an extension or something I just couldn't see anything where he's signed beyond 2025) Howell is still pretty young, got a good arm and did well in 2023 with the Commanders. Yeah I know 21 Ints is scary but that was also his first season at QB and many HOFers have had rough first seasons.

What I meant was we will never get PAST mediocrity. Right now, we're not even mediocre. With Young Mediocracy is our ceiling. We'll never be anything better than .500

We have 7 games left. Put Hooker to the test. See if he's learned anything. IMO Bryce is done.

I've been a big supporter of Young but after yesterday I have to face the reality that many of you were right. We're never getting past mediocrity until we get a QB that can use the entire field. We're too easy to defend.

I am all in on giving Hooker a look. We aren't a playoff team and we need to start looking elsewhere for a QB. I've been probably one of the most patient fans when it came to Bryce Young but after yesterday it is very clear he can't carry a team. Hooker showed he could carry a team with Tennessee. While it was college he had that ability. We need to give him a look.

Treymayne to me is another great find. IMO he just needs more REPS. XL just seems so invisible on the field and I totally agree we can't have a raw WR on the field. We need excellent route runners and ballers. XL isn't a baller IMO.

I would not say I'm a Nut hugger because I thought he would come around but after watching yesterday's performance I no longer believe he's anything more than a capable backup. The question is, is do you take a midround first for a QB? I also believe we need a good offensive coordinator. We run thw most vanilla offense in the league.

All our division rivalries. Cowboys, Commanders, Seahawks and Patriots.

Especially since Atlanta is looking pretty good in Berlin.

Just another thread to bash BY. Nothing more, nothing less.

Lance would be an interesting player to bring in to try and develop but the 1000 of question marks about his ability to follow a game plan worries me. He seems to be a player that moves to improvise more than follow the play.

Look I am not saying Bryce is the answer. I think he's better than you portrait but, I get your point. Remember Dart was a late first round pick. A great pick up if you ask me. We're probably not going to reach for a 1st round pick. That means a 2nd round or further down the draft for a QB that may or maynot be the answer. Sad thing is though we traded up for Young, he's probably the best QB of that draft. Stroud has regressed greatly, if you ask me. I don't know the answer and I am not sure we waste picks on a MAYBE.

I've read your other posts. That's not 100%. You're gambling that some FA is going to be our savior. We struck lightning once with Jake relieving Rodney Peete. Who's the next Jake? You don't know and neither do I. You're speculating. I want exactly who is going to be your savior. You probably can't pick one because every FA has flaws, which is why they aren't starting in this league.

I didn't write the metric. You can probably say every single QB that has a GWD under his belt was because of someone else. That doesn't fly with me. You want to nitpick that's your choice. Going by the metric he has 9 GWD. If you think is should change get with the NFL and get it changed but I am not going to say this guy gets credit but BY doesn't.

First of all the out was not caught because XL slipped and was the only person who could have caught that ball. I'm not sure where you get that it was almost intercepted but go ahead and believe your story. The kick was in the direction we wanted the ball from the opening kickoff. Do you think Fitzpatrick didn't try several kicks in that direction before the game and after half? Do you think we just winged it. Come on, OK so he missed one earlier. Kickers can't adjust. You make it sound like it was a wing and a pray. I saw the game. Yes and we still got 21 yard from the running game. We also got two first downs via that pass. So it isn't like it was 100% we were going to run. You have your blinders on and hate BY so much that you can't give him any credit because it defeats your narrative that he completely sucks. What I have yet to here is you 100% for sure solution. Which QB are you going to bring in that GUARANTEES that he'll be better than BY. See the difference between you and me is I understand that he isn't the greatest QB to play the game. But he has strengths and he continues to win whether you like it or not. You and I have been on this forum for many years and agreed and disagreed on many topics. I don't think I have ever seen you so filled with so much hatred for a player than BY. I'm just going to leave it here to agree to disagree because you aren't going to change my outlook and I definitely am not going to change yours. I do appreciate no personal attacks. Someone said it earlier. Ride with our game manager until a Mahomes falls into our laps.

That's your opinion. Our rookie QB nailed it with a couple of extra yards to spare. You can give all the what if's you want but the plan worked. We chose to go in that direction for the exact reason we won the game.

What is your obsession with passing yards. We are a run first team. Ball control to minimize high powered offenses from getting too many chances. Rico does a great job of making it where we can pass as needed not winging it down the field. Is BY the greatest QB ever to play the game, not by a long shot, does he win games for us. By the Game winning drives criteria, he does. You can manipulate how many yards he threw for but the bottom line he's has now 9 GWD to his credit.

That wasn't almost picked off. Please stop. They felt they were in close enough range not to risk a fumble or INT. Gotcha that you hate BY but give credit where credit is due.

Overall not a great game for BY but the final drive he accounted for 20 of the 40 yards to get us into field goal range. That's correct right? You complain about the entire game but won't give credit for the two first downs of 10 yds each. You also, have yet to agree that the wind had a huge impact on BYs pedestrian numbers.

This is about the smartest answer I've seen yet.

I've never said that BY couldn't be replaced. I don't think he has the strongest arm in the league. Everyone complains about how many yards he threw for on a very windy day. Sure, we relied on the running game and the team that launched bombs lost partially due to the wind. Love should have had 2 picks because of the wind. What also bothers me is all those haters have no solution. There isn't one QB in the draft or even one QB free agent that is going to resolve this issue. We can sit here and bitch and moan about how many yards BY has thrown for but won't acknowledge that he's the QB of record for our last 4 wins. Andy Dalton has a big arm but we didn't get close to winning with him. Running the ball and defense has always been the key to success in the NFL. I don't care if you have the best QB in the game, you're going to struggle without it. As great as Mahomes is, even most analyst say they lack a running game to go deep in the playoffs. What I want in reply is. What's your solution that is 100%, no questions about it, better than Young, Name me one QB that is available or will be available to beat out Young.