DaveThePanther2008

My biggest take on this is how those that support Lance and his performance, whether you believe like I do it was Abysmal or as you say just too raw. Those that support him are the same ones that trash Corral. Lance has some halo around him and gets a pass for his injury but Corral injury is chronic and he is made of glass. Lance gets a pass for having more rushing yards than passing yards with BS excuses like he played in a Monsoon when the weather was 69 degrees with 15mph winds hardly a monsoon. But Corral is a bust and wasted pick because he looked bad in his first preseason game and mediocre in his 2nd preseason game before coming out with an injury. Lance gets a pass after spending the entire preseason working with the first and second string offenses to be prepared for the starting gig while Corral got scraps from a coach that had zero interest in trying to develop him as a QB. What it boils down to is those that trash Corral are the ones that believe we have to have a first round QB. It doesn't matter whether he's any good or not. He just has to be a first rounder. There are 3 or 4 teams ahead of us that most likely will take Stroud and Young and probably Levis. It's ludicrous to want to waste a pick on a QB just to say we have our 1st round QB. This offseason evaluation period on QBs has to include Corral's abilities as well as those we are considering in the draft. I don't think any of the QBs in this draft scream FRANCHISE QB. If we draft one than we better believe he is. The Lance lovers and protectors will scream Corral isn't in the same class. I say BS.

That doesn't hurt either.

There were several games that Philly had where they got behind in the game. Steichen made in game adjustments and went onto win many of those games they were behind. This is why I like Steichen the most.

Trey Lance has had a complete season to learn from one of the best offensive minds in the league. When given the opportunity to show something he looked abysmal. The Niners whole season changed when he went down. Corral got two preseason games from a coach that gave him absolutely nothing to work with. This includes no valuable Reps the entire training camp and preseason and an offensive line that couldn't beat a mediocre college team. Yet many of you would trade away more valuable picks instead of giving Corral a chance. Only morons would trade away picks for a QB that is trending towards one of the all time greatest busts. (value wise)

I say there is a slim chance we get one of the desirable QBs in this draft. Not to say they are the answer to our problem. Many of them have major question marks and none of them scream franchise QBs. All with as many or more Question marks as Corral. Those of you that are so hellbent on drafting one of these QB at any cost are pushing us further behind by wasting a pick on a QB when we have other needs and can get a quality pick on a position of need. Corral is only bad in your eyes because you want one of these QBs. I say they aren't that much better, if at all.

We're not trading up for either of these guys. BANK ON IT. AR in the 2nd round.

LOUD AND PROUD. YES I PULL FOR US TO WIN EVERY GAME. You cheer to lose you're a loser. You play to win. Tanking is for loser fans.

In 2014 the Panthers went into the playoffs with a 7-8-1 record and won a playoff game. In 2015 we went 15-1 and went to the Super Bowl. The playoff experience may have given the 2015 team the belief they were that good. So yeah backing into the Playoffs can mean something. It's not insignificant.

I love all the excuses for Willis. These same excuses are coming from the Corral is garbage folks. Same guys that wanted Willis in the first round. Of Course, he needs more time, LOTS MORE TIME. There is a difference in guys like Allen that showed flashes and then stupidity. Hell he still does it. Willis, from what I have seen is WAY WAY WAY over his head.

Pretty sad when a guy off the streets can come in and throw for as many yards as Willis did in any game. And he did it in the first half.

Glad Brady knows he's going to the playoffs. I guess Atlanta or the Panthers are a concern.

I assume this is sarcasm. Chizik is worse 10x than Holcomb.

This weekend will make the decision on Wilks. He's already trending down because we got our butts whipped at home against the Owner's old team. I am sure that still stings for Tepper. The only thing, IMO, that gives Wilks the job is winning the NFCS. I am 99.9% sure that if Wilks. stays as HC Holcomb will be our DC. I am tossed as to whether we retain McAdoo. McAdoo has a good offense when it is uncontested but when a defense bottles his running game up, he doesn't seem to have an answer. That will reflect on the HC so Wilks needs to think long and hard on keeping McAdoo as OC. I think another factor will be if Levis is available at our pick. Seems Tepper really likes him and might insist Fitterer draft him. If he does I think he'll want an OC that can develop Levis.

We need to ask the referee for Flags for Brady because I am sure that if we so much as touch him they'll give him roughing the passer.

95% of the huddlers that are screaming to tank for the #1 pick. You've seen the board blow up because we didn't draft Justin Fields. Chicago is 3-12 and everyone thinks he's the 2nd coming of Hurts. Imagine had we passed on Wilson and Fields. Warner is a prime example of what he's talking about. Nobody wanted him. Finally made it to an an NFL roster and became a HOFer. It's not always measurables it's also what's between the ears. We should look at talent but we should also look at those QBs that bring their team from behind to win games. I don't think there is a formula for selecting a franchise QB. I agree that the probability is much better with a higher pick but never surprised when that 3rd rounder outshines a first rounder.

You know it is sad that we have to believe this might happen. I was always skeptical until SB50 and the farce the NFL made over giving Manning another SB victory as a going away present. The calls during that game were blatant and truly unfair. I won't be surprised to see it happen next Sunday.

Wilks has bombed on two games that could have kept us going. Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. This game against Tampa will tell all. One it will almost give us the division and a shot at the playoffs. If he bombs this one than I think he seals his own fate.

Who is this draft would you consider a franchise QB? I don't see any. I see marginally better than Darnold but nothing screams game changer.

Both teams had to play on this surface. It's not like we made it softer when we had the ball. It's nothing more than excuse.

Sam did a great job and everybody contributed. Marshall had a couple catch, Moore being Moore and the running game was incredible. Sam said he watched and learned and watched other games as well. He's young and deserves credit for orchestrating a good game.

Record setting Day. Merry Christmas Great Job Panthers

As do I, if we draft a QB in round one I would have to assume that they really think he's the best value at our drafting position. I just don't want us to draft a QB in round 1 just to say we have our 1st round QB. I think at our current draft position those QBs that MIGHT make a difference will be gone. I'd rather use the pick on a position that our new OC can use. Really good tight ends are hard to come by. Brady made a career out of using them. He's had great tight ends most of his career. You see the different without Gronk this year. A top talent WR would be a huge addition next to Moore who would be amazing with someone to take the pressure off of him.

What facts? He's already out of the boot and progressing to be ready for OTAs. FACT Injury was caused by poor 4th and 5th string O-line play. Bad play? Anyone that got treated that way would have played poorly. You have never acknowledged that Rhule screwed our chances to see what he could do. You don't know what his talent level is because he's never been evaluate properly. Trolling? Hahahahaha this comes from the Tanking king of the forum. When most know professional football teams and players don't Tank. Furthermore, you're the one that's putting all these QBs on some type of podium of greatness. Nice try, TROLL

No different than CMC's injury, No different than Darnold's injury. He's already out of a boot and should be ready by OTAs. Terrible coaching is putting it lightly. You're going to sit here and tell me that 5 minutes at the end of practices is valuable training? Valuable Reps? Where he had a competent line to work behind? His first outing was bad but his second was much better considering he wasn't getting valuable Reps in practice. Nothing to look forward too? One of his attributes is his quick release. Better than any prospect in years, YEARS. You've obviously forgot many of the reasons we took him over Howell. (who I wanted) Stroud = System QB and looked bad against good talent Young = More injury prone than Corral. Corral's injury was his ankle. Young's was his shoulder and he was barely touched when he got hurt. I saw the game when he got hurt and it ws not a bad hit at all. Not to mention his size Levi = another that looked terrible against upper echelon teams. Has the tools but does he have the moxie. The ones below him have far many more questions than Corral.

Corral stock dropped because of some off the field issues not talent. The only reason he didn't get a legitimate shot last year was because of Rhule and his childish competition between a player no longer on the team and Darnold. Rhule chose his poison once he traded for Mayfield. He wasn't going to waste his time on Corral or any other rookie. Though, well documented Rhule did nothing for Corral, you and others make all these lame excuses why we shouldn't work with Corral and choose a QB in this draft that isn't much better, if better at all. I'd be ok with Stroud, Young or Levi otherwise we are wasting our 1st round pick if we draft a QB. We've argued this several times. You're a tanker that thinks the only thing we need on this team is a QB. You'll sacrifice everything for one, regardless of whether he's worth it or not. Corral WILL battle for a spot regardless of where we choose a QB.