saints4life25

Being that a pie is generally made of crust and filling, any ratio under 60:40 filling to crust importance is unacceptable. I would say 50:50 myself.

Sometimes, things are bigger than football. I think Greg Hardy was treated unfairly by the league, along with AP, but JR has his name stamped next to this logo. What kind of message is he sending to his daughters or granddaughters by allowing Hardy to be on the team? Don't necessarily agree with everything said about Hardy by Holder, but I can understand why JR doesn't want him around. I think his thought process was backed up by the vast majority of the league.

Saints4life25. Dudes the best poster here.

One pie?!? I call shenanigans on this whole thread. Fug those Seahawks though!

So, does this work for me too?

The Saints dead money/cap hit for trading or cutting Drew Brees this year is $33 million. He is, untradeable.

As I've said, Drew is untradeable right now. His salary became fully guaranteed in February. It would cost the Saints $7 million to cut or trade him. It's simply impossible to do this year, even if they wanted to. Which they don't.

Fair enough. I don't agree that Jimmy is soft, but it certainly is a talking point about him around the league. I think he's a tough SOB. The lisfranc injury he had 2 years ago would have sent many to IR. During the Seattle playoff game, he could barely run. He walked with a noticeable limp. This year, the shoulder. He's not a Saints anymore, so that's about all the defending him I'm going to do, but I can definitely see 1,000 yards and 10 TDs.

Never heard a thing about it, to be honest. Could he have? Sure. But it's really tough to get by without a concussion test being given now that he NFL has guys there just for that.

Yes, I really believe that. Here's the link: http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-1/Jimmy-Graham-Talks-About-Joining-the-Saints/b0cdd6dc-ce45-46ef-a0e0-613e684a9611

The thing about Gayle is, she won't get in the middle of all of it lol. She'll own them, but leave the running of the team to those who know what they're doing. At least that's the way it seems as an outsider. Rita, I feel, would run them into the ground. No one in the organization likes her. Loomis and Payton won't work for her. If she takes over, I could definitely see a move for the Saints down the line. As far as money goes, Tom has been wise enough that he will still be making a poo ton of money, long after he's gone. He's a shrewd business man who usually gets what he wants. Between the car dealerships, the land around the Supersome that he owns, the deals with the state, and the two teams, whoever he leaves it to will be in great shape.

Wow. Sounds like a good gig lol. That sounds good though! I'd definitely have to treat to Dagos and Pat Os do that!

Not a huge fan of PFF grades. Love them for their stats. Think their grades are as useless as tits on a bull. But basically, their assessment is pretty close. I don't agree that he was the worst player on the team, however. But missing tackles as a linebacker will get you killed by PFF and Lofton did plenty of that last season. He whiffed quite a bit. And like I said, he doesn't make any plays behind the LOS. He'll rack up the tackles...5 yards down the field. Only reason I would see him retained if we were in a better cap situation is because we're kind of void of linebacker talent.

Loomis doesn't make the football decisions. Loomis is the money man, basically. He's an accountant by trade. It's what he went to school for. It's what he's done all of his life. It's why he usually gets away with manipulating the cap. He's great with numbers. Football decisions, I would assume, ultimately go through Sean Payton. Loomis tells him what money would work, Payton does what he sees best. I don't see either one going anywhere and I wouldn't want them to. Loomis is a good GM and Payton is a great coach. They make a very good team. Part of the reason I want Gayle to win the whole battle with Benson is because Loomis won't work for Rita, and Payton is leaving if Loomis leaves. They've left some to be desired in some aspects, drafting in particular. Hopefully that changes with the front office changes this offseason. But for the most part have brought stability and a winning environment to NO. Loomis has Bensons full trust, as he runs the Pelicans as well. I don't think you'll see either leave for quite some time.

I'm down for that without a bet! Lol

This year it's basically impossible. The dead money would be outrageous. And only $11 million in savings. Next year? It's doable. Only $7 million dead money and $20 million savings. If they have another sub .500 season, I'd say there's a tiny chance it happens. Still not very high though. Edit: I'm sorry, I just checked. It would cost us $7 million to cut or trade Drew Brees this year. His cap hit is $26 million. The dead money is $33 million.

I say again, how much are you willing to put down? You say you'd put money on it, as will I.

Lot of talk about a lot of hurt feelings during the whole thing. And rumors that Jimmy complained about his contract all year, even after getting paid. I can't verify any of that. But reports of a rift between Jimmy and management go way back to last offseason.

The Saints offense has always been filled with removable parts. Jimmy is by far the best receiving option he's ever thrown to, and he's a TE. Running backs routinely lead the team in receptions. The Saints offense is centered around great QB play and great interior protection. They feel everything else can be swapped out. Give Drew time, he'll find someone to throw to. Drew Brees is basically a mayor in New Orleans. They trade him, they burn this bitch down.

Ya know, a lot of the guys over on SR has the predictable, "He got paid and hasn't been the same. We're better off without him and his huge contract.", reaction. But plenty of people around here are really upset by the move, me included. Jimmy grew up a Saints fan. He loved us and we loved him back. It's always tough to see those guys go. I can understand the football decision to trade him. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand.

So, how much would you be willing to put on them moving Brees? Cause I'm definitely down.

After the Tampa game and the shoulder injury, Jimmy couldn't pick his arms above his head without pain. Kind of takes away his advantage. You saw him draw up and protect his shoulder a lot. In the red zone, the fades would get thrown back shoulder into his gut, instead of in the air, because he couldn't lift his arms. He contemplated surgery this offseason. Jimmy will put up 1,000 and 10-12 TDs this year. Guys a beast. I'll miss him.

/purple. I was being a dick.

Lol. That's cool! Not sure. Payton said after the season that changes would be made. It started with the changes on the coaching staff and has rolled over into the roster. The Saints understand that Drew Brees is at his best when he has a pocket to climb and drive the ball. He doesn't have a rocket arm like Cam. He has to be able to climb to get velocity on his throws. It's also because of his size. He can't deal with pressure in his face as well as other taller QBs. When he gets constant interior pressure, you see him force throws and turn the ball over. What do I think? I think the Saints made a call about Ungers availability. He missed a lot of time last year and they performed well without him, so why not check? They threw out some WRs, probably Stills and a pick or two and the Hawks asked about Jimmy. With the disconnect between he and management, he got dealt. It helps with the cap in future years as well. Grubbs was just not very good. We've all known something would happen with him this offseason. With Evans injuries all year, I honestly thought something might get done with both. Grubbs was going to be cut. Not sure why the Chiefs traded for him. Apparently they didn't see him play this year. As far as the cuts, the only one I didn't like football wise was Lofton. He's a solid backer. Problem was, you don't pay solid backers $9 million. He racked up tackles, but he missed a bunch and would hardly make plays behind the LOS. And please God don't ask him to cover someone lol. I think there's just changes being made. And I'd be ignorant to suggest that none of it had to do with cap. If we were $20 million under, I doubt Lofton gets cut. Maybe Jimmy isn't available. I'm not sure, because that's all hypothetical. What I do know, is we were 7-9 last year, and that's not good enough. I'm happy they're making changes. Heard a lot of grumblings about the locker room last year. Haven't heard about that since Paytons been here. And yes, we're cool.

I can deal with that.