nctarheel0619

​We have entirely too many Florida State/Carolina Panthers fans on this board. Literally confuses me if half of them will be rooting for the Panthers or Winston when we play Tampa this year.

​You didn't watch Martin last year did ya? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, vastly mediocre.

​Well, Matt Ryan didn't have the weapons Jameis had. So since we're using excuses. I'll just go with that.

​Are you sure? Because 18 int's in college last year screams red flag to me.

The only problem the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have had with Jameis Winston so far is that the rookie quarterback doesn't know when to go home. "We have to kind of tell him when to leave,'' coach Lovie Smith said Thursday.Winston wasn't at Thursday's organized team activity because he is attending the NFL Players Association's Rookie Premiere event in Los Angeles. But the No. 1 overall draft pick already has done his work for the week. Smith said Winston took double the amount of reps he usually would in Wednesday's session to make up for Thursday. Winston turned in his best day of practice so far, Smith said. "For him, there's been a lot of individual work, but having a chance this week to go against our best defense and things like that [has been good],'' Smith said. "We have a long ways to go. But we like where he is right now.'' Teammates have talked about how Winston rarely is seen without his playbook. "He gets better every day,'' tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins said. "He's picking up the offense very fast.'' Smith also said he's seen daily progress from Winston. "I've seen marked improvement, like it should be,'' Smith said. "He's showing more and more comfort in the pocket. There's a lot you ask a rookie to do, but Jameis is picking it all up, just like we thought he would. Right on schedule.'' Thursday's practice was the only one Winston will miss, and he will return to the team next week. Smith said the Bucs haven't held back with Winston. "He didn't have his training wheels on or anything like that,'' Smith said. "We're kind of throwing him out there and he's handling just about everything we've asked him to do.'' NFL.com article.

​That's fair, I would argue Crabtree is much better than LaFell and Ginn.

​You can compare Cam's numbers but the problem with that is Kap has had a vast amount of weapons and arguably the best O-Line in the business. While Cam has had a broken down running game, Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, and Amini, and lastly Kelvin Benjamin and Greg Olsen. That's why many say Kap isn't as good. Hell, even 49er fans hate Sack or Pick.

​I would put Cam Top 10. But that's as far as it goes. No order, but above him is A-Rod, Manning Broncos, Luck, Russell, Ben, Brady, Flacco, Brees.

​This, I put Russell over Cam right now though. Which still makes Cam Top 10. As long as Russell keeps winning you will be hard pressed to find any true fan that will put Cam above him. Luck also is above Cam too, no contest on that one.

fug cancer. RIP, and condolences sir.

I'm the biggest bandwagoner for the Warriors, ever. To be precise, I have yet to watch one Warrior game in my entire life. Curry or not, I don't give a rats ass about other teams if they're not mine.

And hopefully he comes home in two years where he belongs.

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4 forced fumbles and he's got 3 more TD's on offense.

I do know the difference, but JJ Watt scores TD's as well. And no, it wasn't split. Watt had a good 20 vote lead by the time the thread died because I created it. And the bandwagoners you speak of I rarely associate myself with. I can't talk to someone that hops on a team because they're "good" at a certain point in their life. Half of NBA fans are this way with players. Sigh. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm pretty content with Luke and Cam. I just want a Super Bowl in my lifetime and I'll be happy.

I don't think anybody clamored for any of those guys. Boy did they suck.

I do recall many posters stating how you're awful. You have brought literally nothing to this discussion. Besides bashing someone for their opinion, and lack of understanding on what part? Because I would take RW & Watt over Luke and Cam right now? Okay, many other people that watch the NFL would do the same thing. We had a discussion last year who would you rather have? Luke or J.J. and the majority of this board took J.J. Luke is the best LB in the game, but Watt is a game changer.

Just because I'm not a complete homer like your moronic ass, doesn't mean I can't state my opinion.

Something we'll never know to be honest. Plus, if our division wasn't so trash we wouldn't of won it with a losing record.

I would take Watt above Luke at this point too. Watt's the best defensive player in the league. And RW is on the same level as Cam at this point in many peoples opinion.

I'm taking Watt, and taking my chances that the other teams a year later are moronic enough to pass on RW. I'll take Watt + RW over Luke and Cam at this point.

The injuries started the middle of the season. For the most part, Cam had the same offensive line throughout the beginning of the year. When he was passing well from the pocket, and when he was running (Bengals game).

I think people are overstating the injuries portion of this (not you). Amini was still the starter in the Eagles game, so was Nate Chandler, and Byron Bell. All three started the season and started when Cam was playing from the pocket. As much as I HATE to say this, the same offensive line was intact most of the season. Did they suck? Absolutely. But Cam had his troubles with the same line throughout most of the year.

Russell Wilson led his team to the Super Bowl with an offensive line that is mediocre and zero receivers on offense worth a damn. He almost won the damn Super Bowl on his own because Brady torched that secondary of Seattle's. All I'm gonna say is, I hope I'm wrong and you're correct, sir.

My question to you is, if he puts up the same type of numbers this year as last, then what? Eventually the excuses have to run out to fans like yourself. I think he is just the way he is. Do I hope I'm wrong? fug yes I do. But what you see is what you get with Cam in my opinion. What we see is good, but not great, and sometimes horrible at times.