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Okay.... Now he's throwing the ball 10 yards out of bounds. I can't tell if that was on purpose or not. But the difference in watching Bryce and Richardson is pretty obvious to me. Richardson lifts everyone around him just by being 6'4, 250 lbs, who runs a 4.4 40. The type of transcendent physical talent you trade away 1st round picks for. Oh well. Maybe we will get some actual receivers in here who can catch the ball.

Great run blocking tackle, not so hot pass blocking. Bryce cannot get the ball moved down field either.

TWO WEEKS? Bryce is fine. He played with better receivers at Alabama than we have now. However, I will say, if Reich's plan is to throw the ball 40 times a game, we are screwed.

We are down to Derek Wright running with the ones. LOL...

Dude, Bryce out here throwing balls in the dirt. WTF /sarcasm

Like the space between your hip and your ribs. Probably got the wind knocked out of him.

Hung him out? He ran into that, like 8 or so yards...

Thought it was his head. So broken ribs, out four weeks, concussion, out two, probably. Welp, this is shaping up to be a whale of a season.

It. Isn't. Negative. To. Say. We. Made. The. Wrong. Pick. In fact, it's very possible that it's true. I'd give it a 50/50 shot. The recent history of trading up for a QB doesn't really affect us but it could be a sign that the economics of a trade up into the Top 3 picks is too damaging downstream to allow a team to build.

It's not a stretch. It's just not going to happen. Tepper is too involved in Front Office and roster decisions, in my opinion. Then you have the economics of the situation. Then you have the fact that Corral just hasn't had the reps. I'd guess that Bryce has already had more reps in one off-season than Corral got in two. That said, you keep him as a third unless you're keeping five running backs, which judging by Sander's injury history, I'd say is a good idea.

We beat the Detroit Lions last year with a punishing running game and a road grading offensive line. We had the Bucs on the ropes. The only reason we even went .500 to close the season was because Wilks made a concerted decision to protect the offensive line and run the football using D'Onta Foreman and pass off of the play action opportunities that created. So yes, call me old fashioned but when you have lemons, you make lemonade. Our offensive line isn't built to drop back 40 times a game or pass protect from the shotgun 60% of the time like the Cardinals have been doing with Kyler. Perhaps you don't remember but our offensive line was a "strong point" coming into the season because of what we saw last year. What no one, including the pundits, took into account was that we went from a true West Coast offense to what effectively was a Power I situation mid-season which made the offensive line seem much better than it was at pass protection. Now we go back to a pass heavy West Coast look and we get the same poo we saw early on in 2022. In effect, we have lemons but need to make chili. Sure, you want it a little spicy, but you ain't got the ingredients.

Well the most recent high profile trade up for a QB has failed now that Trey Lance is likely gone. Time will tell if we are in the same boat three years from now. May as well hold onto Corral and see what he can become. Imagine if the Packers had offloaded Jordan Love when he looked like hot garbage his first two off-seasons. Where would they be? Purgatory. Now, to my untrained eye, they look like a darkhorse to win the NFC North.

Pairing Hurst with a guy like Washington, to go along with Charbonnet at running back and his college teammate in DTR (5th round pick btw), at QB behind a road grading offensive line would've been nasty. Add in a guy like Mingo who should, with his size, be a blocking god and you'd have one hell of a running football team. But, Tepper wants to throw the ball. Too bad we don't have the team to do that right now.

Why do they need to be locked? Any criticism of Bryce gets you a one week ban. Now you can't even criticize the decision to trade up in the first place? Cheese and rice man, what a time to be alive.

I think we should've traded down and drafted guys like Zach Charbonnet, O'Cyrus Torrance, and Dorian Thompson-Robinson. But what do I know?

I was told that this was blasphemy just a month ago.

I guess time will tell, won't it? It isn't "negative" to suggest that we made the wrong pick. Hell, history would say that we made the wrong decision to trade up for a QB as that has not really worked out at all in the past decade. To me, this is like all of the teams that passed on Josh Allen. Richardson will make a lot of this forum believers by the end of the year. I can't say the same about Bryce and it may not even be because Bryce is that bad but rather because Richardson's raw physical ability will open up the entire offense he plays within.

Bro, have you not watched Josh Allen? He's literally a better version of Cam Newton.

As far as Ickey is concerned, I think we need to understand the context within which our line looked good. When Rhule was fired and Wilkes came in with a plan to run the ball, and throw off of play action, our line magically got better. We protected them. Now this new staff is asking them to do what Rhule was asking them to do which is pass black for 2 to 5 seconds two of every three snaps, and the result is the same. I don't think we have the personnel to run the Rams West Coast style offense and would be much better suited to running something like the 49er's run to, if nothing else, protect our offensive line. They can be a Top 10 unit when running.

I'd say yes. Even the threat of Richardson running will make throwing the ball so much easier for him. While we drafted a 5'9 pocket QB with a below average Arm but a live brain. I think Bryce will be fine, but it's going to take some time whereas Richardson will get by solely based on his physical talent. If he can take a Josh Allen type leap in his throwing ability he's going to be scary.

I'm sort of with him on the trade. If the goal isn't to make a playoff push throughout Bryce's rookie contract, why would we give up a future 1st to draft him? Teams trade 1st rounders to win now, not win tomorrow. So if we are terrible this season and we end up with a Top 5 pick, that pick now belongs to a conference rival with their Franchise QB, a number one wide receiver, D'Onta Foreman, and some good defensive pieces. I don't mind the urgency here but it's like we are playing checkers while looking for QB1 and it's been that way since Tepper bought the team. He knows that QB1 sells, period. It's a pie graph to him. We will see if it pays off but I have a feeling it won't be until Year 4 when we should have had enough time to build a core of talent but at that point, will Tepper show any patience?

It really is giving me flashbacks to last year before Wilks came in and we started to really run the ball well. If this staff wants to throw 35 times a game, or run from the shotgun 20 times a game, we are screwed. This line is best when road grading.

Trying to edit...edit...edit...edit... Was wrong. Was thinking of Tuttle for some reason./

So what is a fake starter? He was brought in to contribute to the team and was a miss. Now Ickey is playing like dog poo, Chark is injured, we missed on McCall, Miles Sanders is also injured. Now the team comes out and say that it's going to be a three year process, meanwhile we don't have a stockpile of picks like you'd hope a team who just drafted a franchise QB would have. So no, this isn't "getting a look at him". This is a whiff. This has been the Panthers since Tepper took over. Get used to it.

I don't think we should've traded the farm to get him. It was a bad deal and I'll tell you the number one reason why. If we aren't going to win this year, and make the goal a playoff push, we just traded our number one pick next year to a conference rival who already has a Franchise QB and now has a number one receiver to go along with their defensive pieces. So they get another high pick next year, a likely middle to low pick, both in the first round to continue to build while we are stuck with building through Free Agency which is not a winning strategy without a great core of talent. So it wasn't about Bryce, it was about the trade. With this offensive staff, we could've re-signed Darnold and he would've had the best coaching staff he's ever had, we could've traded down in the first, taken multiple players who were Top 3 at their position for the draft, and got a core of talent. Anyway, I'm not the owner and I'm not a GM, but I am of the opinion that we gave up too much to move up. I get the drooling over Bryce, he's probably going to be a good QB, but if the goal isn't to win now, when will it be time? You don't go trading away 1st round picks to win tomorrow.