CPcavedweller

What dysfunction? He took the Browns to the AFC Divisional Round. The fugging Browns. Set the NFL Rookie Record for touchdown passes in 12 starts. What happened in Cleveland was a Cleveland problem, not Baker. They will be, forever and always, the epitome of dysfunction in the league.

Bu..bu...but Baker is too arrogant for his own good. The media portrayal of this dude is as bad as it was with Cam. Couldn't be more wrong.

It won't matter who the QB is if we are running with Chubba and whomever our 3rd running back is at this point. CMC is the X-Factor for wins here. Baker and CMC in this west coast offense has me excited though. Ironically I think Baker is much better suited to this offense while Darnold is probably better suited to the Stefanski/Shanahan tree. Baker is a winner, has a photographic memory, and absent the power struggle in Cleveland, should come in and be a good leader for a Panthers team that has been lacking true player leadership since Cam, Luke, and Thomas Davis left.

Who was CTE related? Demarious (sp?) Thomas had seizures that may or may not have been related but that's the only one. Out of thousands of former players and hundreds of thousands of former football players, the amount is less than statistically significant to make the claim. Sorry if that sounds insensitive but I'm a logical person who stays grounded despite media coverage through understanding statistics. If it happens once, and a few other guys are questionable, within a few years it seems like a lot. But in reality you have hundreds if not thousands of guys who leave the NFL and college football each year. So the reality isn't aligning with media coverage, as is the usual now. Yellow journalism has returned. If you don't know the term, Google it.

24/7 news cycle. I highly doubt it's more than usual. Marion Barber actually died of heat stroke, Jaylon Ferguson took fake xanax pressed Chinese pills that were cut with fentanyl (available on the dark web en masse), and a few older dudes who lived long, natural lives.

McCall won't be a project. He's probably a late 1st rounder at this point. Much of that will hinge on how the offense plays after losing Isaiah Likely to the NFL. He was a huge safety valve for Coastal that led to several big plays in the passing game throughout the season, including once against App State. He reminds me a lot of Zac Wilson but I like McCall as a more fluid athlete and he has elevated the status of that entire team from a 3-9 type squad to 11-1 being realistic each year (losing to App State of course) On topic, I'd love Star back. Short was never the same after Star left and I think Star and Brown could be another magic duo. The drafting of Star and Short was a revelation, even if the Huddle melted down after that draft. Say what you will about Rivera but his ability to scout and draft quality guys on defense cannot be questioned.

Malik Willis was the WORST passer against pressure in this draft class and he wasn't even close. I watched Coastal several times (App fan) including how he played at App despite constant pressure and a bum ankle. McCall is twice the quarterback that Malik Willis is and it will show with where he gets drafted next year. My hate of Willis had nothing to do with the fact that he was at Liberty but rather the fact that he is terrible when faced with pressure. He also can't hit anticipatory throws and if you listen to Steve Young, that is either something you have or don't have. Willis ain't it. McCall on the other hand obliterated the FBS Passer Efficiency mark set by Tua, while having nearly 13 yards per Attempt, and running what I'd imagine to be a 4.6 40 at 6'3 and 210. There is nothing to not like about him.

Huddle - in perpetual meltdown since 2018. This is worse than Twitter at this point.

Baker has a photographic memory, Matt does not.

We don't need all three guys on the roster, that's for sure. Someone will be cut in August and it won't be Corral.

Grayson McCall set the record for Passer Efficiency in 2021 and was Sun Belt Freshman and Player of the year in 2020. I've watched him a lot and I think he has the potential to be a great NFL QB. Apparently Tom Brady's brand thinks so as well as they've already hitched the TB12 wagon to him.

Give me McCall in Round 2, if he makes it that far. Keep home talent home.

I didn't mean to say we should guarantee anything. Offer him a two year deal with the ability to extend or cut bait after one. It's the ultimate prove it deal and Baker is the type of guy who can be challenged. But I'm of the mindset to trade both Robby and Sam because Robby without Sam is going to be a sulky SOB if the Panthers lose even one game because of a turnover by Baker. He seems to lack the ability to think critically about his role and that of "his QB". The Bears need receivers.

Panthers fans have been garbage, especially on this board, since 2018 or so. If we can tailor and offense to what Baker does well, and the team will allow him to lead, we will be fine. The OBJ situation in Cleveland divided the locker room and people blamed Magfield but the reality of the situation is that wherever OBJ has gone, chaos has followed. Then you add the Browns cultural issues as a whole and you have a recipe for what happened. Baker took the Browns to the playoffs and won in Pittsburgh. Let that sink in for a moment. I'd prefer it if we traded Darnold now and extended Baker for two years, even if he isn't what we thought, he's cheap now and if he sucks, we can draft Grayson McCall next year.

Baker went from walk on to Heisman Winner and 1st Round Draft Pick. I don't think he's cocky, I think he's confident in his ability to overcome based on his history. He isn't a Johnny Manziel. He didn't get to where he is by being quiet and humble because when you're his size and a walk on, you can't. You have to be charismatic and be a leader, which he was. But the Browns are so dysfunctional that of course they would squander that. Baker apparently has a photographic memory as well, for what it's worth. He's already better than Darnold who can't see the field at 6'5. Baker can remember offensive and defensive plays by sight and when healthy, he's good. I'll be interested to see if Mcadoo actually adjusts the offense to his strengths.

It's never "the" fan base. It's a portion. Most leve headed people (e.g. not those on The Huddle), would've understood keeping Teddy Two Gloves and drafting a guy. Most would've preferred Teddy to what they saw in 2021 because of his ability to get the ball out quick, unlike Darnold. So no, I as a fan, do not require we make a trade every single off-season for a guy unless it's a guy like Mayfield who has had some success. Nothing Darnold showed in NY justified the trade. Baker on the other hand broke the rookie record for TD passes, took the Browns to the playoffs and won a playoff game. Years 2 and 4 weren't spectacular but he was severely injured in 2021 and the Browns started doing what the Browns do. The culmination of thT being the signing of a QB who may never play a down with them. At this point, I wonder if they Browns owners make more money from losing than from winning, based on their decisions.

I am a Panthers fan and am completely reasonable. I don't dislike Rhule, Fitterer, Darnold, or Tepper. I think Rhule came in to a project, Tepper gave him the leash to build a foundation from which success would be sustained, Fitterer was brought in to facilitate the front office portion of that, and Darnold was the product of the 2nd worst Panthers offensive line I've ever seen. Zac Taylor of the Bengels won like 3 games his first two years and they went to the Super Bowl in year 3. The Panthers are now in year 3 of Rhule and while I don't think a Super Bowl is expected, the pieces are in place for a Wild Card. I'm not optimistic or pessimistic. The margins are SLIM in the NFL and 10 yards across five games could be the difference between playoffs and Top 6 pick.

Didn't Mac Jones play in Bill O'Brian's system with NFL terminology and route concepts? There is a huge difference between Jones College situation and Corral's.

Would be a far better pick now than he was then, considering who was coaching at the time.

He converted part of his salary just to be traded here.

What are these issues "wherever he goes" that you speak of? Dude is an underdog in a league full of chosen ones. Of course his attitude js going to rub people the wrong way because he had to force himself to get to where he is now in spite of his physical limitations. Other guys don't have to deal with that. I have a feeling there is a lot more Drew Brees in Mayfield than people know and that a lot of issues you seem to believe there are were related to Lincoln Riley (a polarizing figure in and of himself) and the Browns. The same Browns that just guaranteed $250 million to a guy who may not play for two years running. Baker likely wasn't the issue here. The Browns locker room and culture are garbage and it's all piecemeal garbage thrown together where no one is willing to follow. The Panthers don't have that issue. In short, I think what made Baker a problem in Cleveland is what will make him a success in Charlotte.

This is quite literally exactly what I just said.

Everything centers around two things: 1. The offensive line - it would appear Fitterer did more than any of his predessecors in Carolina to rectify this situation 2. Christian McCaffrey - The Panthers are a better team with him on the field and the W/L tracker bears that out If those two factors remain stable for 18 games, the Panthers will be in the Wild Card discussion come Week 18, regardless of if the QB is Darnold, Mayfield, or Corral.

Still want Grayson McCall next year. His ceiling is much higher than both Darnold and Mayfield, though I think Darnold could be a very good QB with a decent offensive line.

I like Mayfield as a person and as a personality, but I don't understand as a player. If nothing else he will motivate guys and they will play for him.