CPcavedweller

And that's the problem. "We are getting a QB one way or another" should not be the line of thinking. "Spare no expense" only works in Jurassic Park and MLB, and it doesn't always work well in either; ask Dr. Malcolm about his leg and the Yankees about all of their World Series championships the past 18 years or so. If there is a transcendent talent like a Trevor Lawrence, Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, etc. it's a no brainer. If it's not one of those "can't miss" guys, you are throwing darts at a dart board while blind folded but the stakes are almost as bad as if someone is standing on either side of the dart board, unable to move. You may hit them in the arm and they will be fine, but you missed. Or you may hit them in the eye and they will be screwed for life. The only certain player in this draft, in my opinion, is CJ Stroud. Everyone else is a gamble. If you have to gamble with multiple first round picks, you don't do it. You just don't. You roll with what you have, stack talent and trade picks and develop the roster around the QB. Then in 2024 you go for guys like Maye and Williams.

It's a mess because we are about to trade even more assets away for someone who may or may not be worthwhile. Add to that we may be trying to trade with a Conference foe who already has a QB and we could just be mortgaging our future to look up at them. We have a solid QB and can't add talent around them. That's the trade-off and why I'd rather trade down, stack talent, and work on getting enough picks to take Maye or Williams next year. You can stack, stack, stack talent on days 1 and 2 in this draft but we are going to avoid doing that to take a guy like Will Levis. I'd be good with Anthony Richardson, though not trading up much to get him, or Stroud. The recent history on teams who have traded up for QB's isn't pretty, at all. None of them since 2015 are on the team that drafted them.

He has missed several games the last three seasons. If you could get full years out of him, every year, like a Peyton, Tom, Joe, Patrick, etc. then yeah, you pay him. If not, you don't give him guaranteed money that he's asking for. Guaranteed money is for guaranteed play and he hasn't been able to do that.

Well, that's a good deal for the Saints. His style of ball translates to longevity and if he is a Matthew Stafford type who just needed out of the black hole known as the Raiders organization, the Saints will be set.

These are the next two NFL Stars. Absent something unexpected happening with the 2023 class, I don't see anyone but Stroud having the potential of these two. This isn't going to be popular, but how about we don't trade away future 1st's for a guy like Will Levis who has "BUST POTENTIAL" written on his forehead and instead...trade downnnnn. Build the roster with the depth and breadth of talent available at skill positions and the offensive line, compile picks, and get enough to have a package ready to go for 2024. That is assuming others aren't already plotting to suck as well. The Jaguars lucked into sucking bad enough to get Lawrence. The Colts planned to suck to get Luck. The Panthers probably started TEH JIMMEHH (those who don't get this obviously weren't around) to get to the top of the 2011 draft, thinking Luck would be there. Tons of examples of this happening where it completely changed the outlook of a franchise. Now FLAME ME. That is unless you don't watch college football and haven't seen Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. They have transcendent potential.

Aww yeah. Let's take a guy with a good head on his shoulders because he's from Greensboro. Dude had one good season in an Air Raid system. He can throw go routes to wide open receivers. Great! SIGN ME UP. Or, we already have Corral who is basically the same guy so why waste a pick at all?

Trading two 1st round picks, a 3rd, and a 4th for Will Levis... Can YOU IMAGINE the meltdown this place would have. Good god man please let it happen. That would be the worst.

Well, here is a pro tip, don't trade up for Richardson. You either take him at 9 or trade down, collect more picks, re-sign Darnold/Gorropolo, get a star TE, a star RB, and a third wide receiver, as well as the best offensive lineman in the draft in O'Cyrus Torrance. I have this poo all planned out in my head. How we get star players in our first three picks. 1. Torrance 2. Kincaid/Mayer/Darnell Washington 3. Charbonnet 4. Mimms Boom. All of those guys have All-Pro potential. We sign them, put them on IR for sprained ankles (all of them), then we SUCKKKKKK for Drake Maye. I'm talking going -1 - 18. Drake Maye/Caleb Williams will be the next two stars in this league. You can book that today, tomorrow, and twice on Wednesday.

How many other people are interested in Stroud? And are the Bears willing to trade down to 9? We would probably have to trade up to 3, then trade up to 1. By that point Stroud better be as good as Mahomes or we, and he, are screwed.

Carr is a 4 time Pro Bowler in 9 seasons. He was Top 10 with Jon Gruden. Then McDaniel's comes in and does what he did in Denver with Jay Cutler, absolutely nothing. So was Derek Carr the issue in Vegas or was it McDaniel's? Time will tell but I have a feeling that the Belicheck (sp?) only works if you're Bill. His primary assistants fail outside of New England because Bill is a much, much better NFL coach than any one is willing to give him credit for, despite SEVEN SUPER BOWL RINGS. He and Tom and symbiotic. It wasn't one or the other, it was both. Then you add Bill, Josh, and Matt and you have another symbiotic relationship. They all three work well together but take one away and what do you get? I wouldn't be selling Carr short here, especially with the offense that they run and the receivers that they have. He is probably better than Brees was in the last three years of his career and that will present an issue for us.

Wait, so lower demand equals a higher price? That is not how supply-demand work at all. The less suitors, the less expensive it becomes to trade up, period. They aren't going to hold onto it out of spite.

Because Lamar hasn't finished the season in 3 of the last 5 years. So if his "prime" is being injured, I'd hate to see what the 2nd half of his career looks like. Who is paying a QB $250,000,000, guaranteed, to ride a bike? Can you imagine? Just imagine. They have literally NO incentive to either want to play or work to restructure their deal. You won't be able to offload their contract because no one else will trade for that. And he plays a style of ball that will not translate well at all to aging. He is like a bottom 10 passer in the league as backed up by advanced statistics and is oft injured. Good luck Lamar. It's not racist to not want to give you the Brinks truck because while effective when on the field, you have to be on the field to be worth the cash. I see his injury issues stacking up rather than magically disappearing.

Except that Carr is signing with the Saints and Stroud will probably be number 1, or should be. It shouldn't even be close really. I really think Levis is going to end up being a Jake Locker type. What really worries me is that this draft ends up being similar to 2011 where there was Cam Newton and a cliff. I think you take Darnold for cheap and draft Richardson. Darnold showed that he is a good teammate and can be a leader last season. If he wants to start again after 2023, you can let him go. If he's willing to accept a back-up spot, you bring him back. Most quality teams have long-term back-up QB's who help the starter. Their purview is completely different.

It can't be any worse here, right?!?!? I envision that we actually got the 3rd Reich before the 2nd. Rhule obviously being the 3rd and Rivera being the 1st, with possibly the royalty period prior to the upheaval of pretty much all of Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Rivera was a dude who meant well but just couldn't execute. Rhule acted as if he was god's gift to football (He who must not be named) and I'd like to thing of Reich as a stronger version of the leaders of the Weimar Republic; though their ultimate downfall was financial in nature. People will do ridiculous poo when they are scared and out of money.

Stroud was still really good in those games that they lost. Anyone doubting him after the UGA game is a clown.

My point stands, sign Darnold for cheap and draft Richardson. Maybe Darnold can become our new Derek Anderson.

That game was rigged for Payton. We all knew it as soon as they called that Cotchery ball incomplete.

I want him. And he's the only player I'd be fine trading up for to get if we had to. I'd take Richardson or Stroud ahead of Levis and Young. Richardson for his upside and Stroud because he seems to have the ability to come close to matching what Mahomes can do throwing the ball. Also, if you draft Richardson and he can't make QB work, you will have an elite tight end where all you have to develop is his blocking ability.

David Newton is now saying that the Panthers are working on a deal for Darnold. Looks like CPCavedweller ain't so stupid after all. Let the Reformation commence. 16th Century Europe, here we come.

YOU MISSED THE WHOLE F'ING POINT OF MY POST. Darnold has played for ADAM GASE, JOE BRADY, PORN STACHE, and MATT RHULE. Jared Goff has played for SEAN MCVAY and f'ing BEN JOHNSON. Don't ever compare the production of Goff and Darnold again. One has had quite literally elite, potentially Hall of Fame quality, coaching while the other has had coaches who are either out of the league or demoted three levels below where they were.

He's not an NFL QB? He had one of the best QBR's in the NFL in the last six weeks of the season and very nearly had us at 5-1. As mentioned, if we decided to cover Mike Evans, we are in the playoffs last year and a large part of that would've been thanks to Darnold.

At what cost? With the defensive scheme change, as with the last time we did this with Ron and then he was fired right after we drafted a bunch of developmental 3-4 guys then switched back to a 4-3, we are more than a year away. We don't have a lot of draft capital, we don't have a lot of cap space... It's just not going to happen in Year 1 of the Weimar Republic without an elite QB and there are none available. Ejiro has said he will run an even front if that's what the personnel dictates but he's grown up in an odd front, so how does that effect his ability to call a defense? I'm of the opinion that this is a Year 3 project. I get Tepper wants to win now but we really don't seem to have the base of talent to get to a Super Bowl. If Tepper is looking a dollars, and just wants a playoff team (which he may) then sure, maybe we can get there. But is that what you want to fight for? A playoff spot?

Tell me what team has won a Super Bowl with ONE wide receiver and two rookies, or role guys. who didn't have a transcendent talent at QB? Keep in mind that transcendent, by definition, may come once every several years and you must have the 1st overall pick to take that guy. As an example, if Trevor Lawrence was coming out in 2023, you can't tell me the Bears wouldn't deal Fields in a split second and take Lawrence. Lawrence, Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes. Those are the four transcendent players at the QB position right now. Then you have guys with elite skillsets in Hurts, Jackson, and Josh Allen, but who aren't really those guys who will just plow down the opposing team with their arm. Then you have the rest of us. You aren't winning a Super Bowl with one stud at WR or TE without one of the guys listed above. Even with those guys, Mahomes and Tom Brady are the only dudes to have shown they can actually win with average play elsewhere on the offense. I don't see a Tom Brady or Mahomes available. Ideally you'd have DJ Moore, Terrace Marshall, Dalton Kincaid, and a guy like Hyatt out of Tennessee. However that would require us to trade down.

I know I'm going to catch a lot of POOOOOOP emojis for this. But when it the last time a 2nd overall pick at QB had such awful coaching staff's his first four to five seasons? He was coached by the affable (laughable) Adam Gase and Matt Rhule; Rhule who probably also set back Joe Brady's career by a good four years, if how we performed offensively following Rhule's departure is any indication. We now have Frank "The 2nd (Weimar Republic)" Reich, Jim Caldwell, and Tommy Brown. Darnold went 4-2 down the stretch and led us to quite a lead over the Bucs before the offensive line forgot how to block and the defense decided that they wanted to be the only team not to defend Mike Evans. If we defend Mike Evans, we probably win that game. Now you have to ask yourself, is Year 0 of Frank Reich the year we contend for the Super Bowl? We have re-tooling on defense due to a 3-4 scheme change, we've spent draft picks and cash on QB's every year since 2019 without much to show, and we now have a former top draft pick with an "All-Star Coaching Staff". I think this is a question of resources. What do we believe we could do with Darnold? Surely he is on the same level as a Jared Goff, who it turns out is more than adequate, turning the Lions around and leading the Rams to the Superb Owl? Surely we won't be wasting the ninth pick on a guy like Will Levis when we have a complete Reformation that isn't too far off from 16th Century Europe on defense to make? MY PROPOSITION (since everyone here loves everyone elses plans): Fraft Anthony Richardson at 9 and re-sign Darnold for a very reasonable price which would still allow for us to develop the talent base of the team; OR) Trade down in the 1st, nab a later first, another 2nd, and maybe even a 3rd or 4th, take the best guard in O'Cyrus Torrance, the top TE in Dalton Kincaid, and re-sign Darnold to a 1 year deal, and work to see what you have in Corral. There is defensive talent that will be available on Day 3 (looking at you, Coastal NT Jerrod Clark).

If Carr can come down in his asking price to $30 million. You get a 4 time Pro Bowler with a guy like Corral to learn from? Corral has all of the physical tools that should not require us to spend the 9th pick on a QB. We don't have to give up picks to get Carr. If it's not Carr then just bring Darnold back. He'd finally get the coaching staff the 2nd overall pick in the draft deserved as opposed to Adam Gase and f'ing Matt Rhule.