CPcavedweller

Wait, so lower demand equals a higher price? That is not how supply-demand work at all. The less suitors, the less expensive it becomes to trade up, period. They aren't going to hold onto it out of spite.

Because Lamar hasn't finished the season in 3 of the last 5 years. So if his "prime" is being injured, I'd hate to see what the 2nd half of his career looks like. Who is paying a QB $250,000,000, guaranteed, to ride a bike? Can you imagine? Just imagine. They have literally NO incentive to either want to play or work to restructure their deal. You won't be able to offload their contract because no one else will trade for that. And he plays a style of ball that will not translate well at all to aging. He is like a bottom 10 passer in the league as backed up by advanced statistics and is oft injured. Good luck Lamar. It's not racist to not want to give you the Brinks truck because while effective when on the field, you have to be on the field to be worth the cash. I see his injury issues stacking up rather than magically disappearing.

Except that Carr is signing with the Saints and Stroud will probably be number 1, or should be. It shouldn't even be close really. I really think Levis is going to end up being a Jake Locker type. What really worries me is that this draft ends up being similar to 2011 where there was Cam Newton and a cliff. I think you take Darnold for cheap and draft Richardson. Darnold showed that he is a good teammate and can be a leader last season. If he wants to start again after 2023, you can let him go. If he's willing to accept a back-up spot, you bring him back. Most quality teams have long-term back-up QB's who help the starter. Their purview is completely different.

It can't be any worse here, right?!?!? I envision that we actually got the 3rd Reich before the 2nd. Rhule obviously being the 3rd and Rivera being the 1st, with possibly the royalty period prior to the upheaval of pretty much all of Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Rivera was a dude who meant well but just couldn't execute. Rhule acted as if he was god's gift to football (He who must not be named) and I'd like to thing of Reich as a stronger version of the leaders of the Weimar Republic; though their ultimate downfall was financial in nature. People will do ridiculous poo when they are scared and out of money.

Stroud was still really good in those games that they lost. Anyone doubting him after the UGA game is a clown.

What do we give up in the future though? If we aren't a perennial playoff team by trading up to one then you just screwed yourself big time, no matter how good your QB is.

Ym, no. We don't agree that trading up is right at all. I think you go where you need to in order to get Stroud or Richardson.

My point stands, sign Darnold for cheap and draft Richardson. Maybe Darnold can become our new Derek Anderson.

That game was rigged for Payton. We all knew it as soon as they called that Cotchery ball incomplete.

I want him. And he's the only player I'd be fine trading up for to get if we had to. I'd take Richardson or Stroud ahead of Levis and Young. Richardson for his upside and Stroud because he seems to have the ability to come close to matching what Mahomes can do throwing the ball. Also, if you draft Richardson and he can't make QB work, you will have an elite tight end where all you have to develop is his blocking ability.

David Newton is now saying that the Panthers are working on a deal for Darnold. Looks like CPCavedweller ain't so stupid after all. Let the Reformation commence. 16th Century Europe, here we come.

YOU MISSED THE WHOLE F'ING POINT OF MY POST. Darnold has played for ADAM GASE, JOE BRADY, PORN STACHE, and MATT RHULE. Jared Goff has played for SEAN MCVAY and f'ing BEN JOHNSON. Don't ever compare the production of Goff and Darnold again. One has had quite literally elite, potentially Hall of Fame quality, coaching while the other has had coaches who are either out of the league or demoted three levels below where they were.

He's not an NFL QB? He had one of the best QBR's in the NFL in the last six weeks of the season and very nearly had us at 5-1. As mentioned, if we decided to cover Mike Evans, we are in the playoffs last year and a large part of that would've been thanks to Darnold.

At what cost? With the defensive scheme change, as with the last time we did this with Ron and then he was fired right after we drafted a bunch of developmental 3-4 guys then switched back to a 4-3, we are more than a year away. We don't have a lot of draft capital, we don't have a lot of cap space... It's just not going to happen in Year 1 of the Weimar Republic without an elite QB and there are none available. Ejiro has said he will run an even front if that's what the personnel dictates but he's grown up in an odd front, so how does that effect his ability to call a defense? I'm of the opinion that this is a Year 3 project. I get Tepper wants to win now but we really don't seem to have the base of talent to get to a Super Bowl. If Tepper is looking a dollars, and just wants a playoff team (which he may) then sure, maybe we can get there. But is that what you want to fight for? A playoff spot?

Tell me what team has won a Super Bowl with ONE wide receiver and two rookies, or role guys. who didn't have a transcendent talent at QB? Keep in mind that transcendent, by definition, may come once every several years and you must have the 1st overall pick to take that guy. As an example, if Trevor Lawrence was coming out in 2023, you can't tell me the Bears wouldn't deal Fields in a split second and take Lawrence. Lawrence, Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes. Those are the four transcendent players at the QB position right now. Then you have guys with elite skillsets in Hurts, Jackson, and Josh Allen, but who aren't really those guys who will just plow down the opposing team with their arm. Then you have the rest of us. You aren't winning a Super Bowl with one stud at WR or TE without one of the guys listed above. Even with those guys, Mahomes and Tom Brady are the only dudes to have shown they can actually win with average play elsewhere on the offense. I don't see a Tom Brady or Mahomes available. Ideally you'd have DJ Moore, Terrace Marshall, Dalton Kincaid, and a guy like Hyatt out of Tennessee. However that would require us to trade down.

I know I'm going to catch a lot of POOOOOOP emojis for this. But when it the last time a 2nd overall pick at QB had such awful coaching staff's his first four to five seasons? He was coached by the affable (laughable) Adam Gase and Matt Rhule; Rhule who probably also set back Joe Brady's career by a good four years, if how we performed offensively following Rhule's departure is any indication. We now have Frank "The 2nd (Weimar Republic)" Reich, Jim Caldwell, and Tommy Brown. Darnold went 4-2 down the stretch and led us to quite a lead over the Bucs before the offensive line forgot how to block and the defense decided that they wanted to be the only team not to defend Mike Evans. If we defend Mike Evans, we probably win that game. Now you have to ask yourself, is Year 0 of Frank Reich the year we contend for the Super Bowl? We have re-tooling on defense due to a 3-4 scheme change, we've spent draft picks and cash on QB's every year since 2019 without much to show, and we now have a former top draft pick with an "All-Star Coaching Staff". I think this is a question of resources. What do we believe we could do with Darnold? Surely he is on the same level as a Jared Goff, who it turns out is more than adequate, turning the Lions around and leading the Rams to the Superb Owl? Surely we won't be wasting the ninth pick on a guy like Will Levis when we have a complete Reformation that isn't too far off from 16th Century Europe on defense to make? MY PROPOSITION (since everyone here loves everyone elses plans): Fraft Anthony Richardson at 9 and re-sign Darnold for a very reasonable price which would still allow for us to develop the talent base of the team; OR) Trade down in the 1st, nab a later first, another 2nd, and maybe even a 3rd or 4th, take the best guard in O'Cyrus Torrance, the top TE in Dalton Kincaid, and re-sign Darnold to a 1 year deal, and work to see what you have in Corral. There is defensive talent that will be available on Day 3 (looking at you, Coastal NT Jerrod Clark).

If Carr can come down in his asking price to $30 million. You get a 4 time Pro Bowler with a guy like Corral to learn from? Corral has all of the physical tools that should not require us to spend the 9th pick on a QB. We don't have to give up picks to get Carr. If it's not Carr then just bring Darnold back. He'd finally get the coaching staff the 2nd overall pick in the draft deserved as opposed to Adam Gase and f'ing Matt Rhule.

I watched a lot of Billy Napier offense the past five years. There is nothing "unfriendly" about that offense. Sorry, if Levi Lewis can throw for almost 3,000 yards and run for a few hundred at 5'10 at Louisiana while Richardson completes 52% of his passes, that's a Richardson issue. That offense is all bootlegs, play action, and spacing. It's not hard. It's not unfriendly.

Well, if we fail... We fail... And people are going to look back at this. I still think hiring Ejiro was the wrong move solely for moving to a 3-4.

You need THREE receivers in the league now, not just two.

For two 2nd round picks this year and no players or future draft picks, plus we get to keep our first? With Jim Caldwell and Frank Reich? Running the Rams offense? Re-sign D'onta Foreman? DJ Moore, Terrace Marshall and hopefully Mims? Abso-fuging-LOOTely I just wouldn't trade a 1st, or multiple 1sts, for him. I wouldn't trade 1st's for anyone. This team needs a core of talent. You don't get that by being a dumbass and trading away the only assets you have to build out your roster.

If he can be taken in the 3rd round I'm all for it. However we already have Corral who, in my opinion, has better physical tools, release, and power than Hooker. Not sure we should hang Corral out to dry yet.

$133 million guaranteed for a guy who is touching and possibly running the ball on any and every play is plenty enough. He may think it's disrespectful based on what he's done, but what will he do over the life of the contract is the question? Lamar is a guy who will need talent around him. Hell, they only beat the Panthers 13-3 with a guy who wants $180 to $200 million full guaranteed. If you're paying a QB what Lamar wants, you better be winning those games and performing well, which he didn't. Again, as he ages, running is going tobdrop off and injuries are going to increase. If he had the arm of Mike Vick maybe you bite the bullet but I'd put PJ Walker up against Lamar in a passing competition.

I'm thinking he had a lot of input. You can't have roster control and not have major input on contracts.

He doesn't want $180 million guaranteed. He wants $250 million guaranteed. With that, along with three first round picks, is a big no. If it was Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow, that's a no brainer as they are reliant on their arm. Jackson is reliant on his legs, and when you take that from him, what are you left with? Hint: not a lot