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I also remember Darnold getting crushed a few times waiting so long...can't wait to see Young get bear hugged by a 6'5 340 lb dude.

3.02 seconds in the NFL is an eternity to hold on to the ball. Add in his lack of arm strength and you're shrinking the field vertically and horizontally depending on the hash as well.

Will Levis is of Ivy League stock and there is a lot of "class resentment" going on right now both personally and professionally. I think Levis is a much better Pro Prospect than either of those guys.

I just think you're gambling by taking a 5'10, 185 lb QB. I know he got up to 204 for the Combine but he didn't weigh in at his Pro Day and ordered Scallops and Salad, not exactly the order of someone trying to maintain muscle mass. Hell, I'm 5'10 170 and I've been next to NFL offensive linemen...just a huge difference even between the SEC and NFL. I just think that when you go number one, you need to be as sure as possible and you're praying for an anomaly if you take Young. Doesn't have any elite traits throwing the ball or in his athleticism and at his size I really, really think that you need one or the other.

You're hoping to get an anomoly: 1. Richardson - You're banking on him doing what few others can and end up improving accuracy. Josh Allen is really one of the only guys to make such drastic improvement in this area 2. Young - You're hoping that height isn't a hinderence. You're hoping his brain can compensate for his lack of arm strength and size. You're hoping his athleticism can compensate for his lack of size. And You're hoping he can become an anomaly on very, very important aspects of the game. 3. Levis - You're hoping his awareness issues aren't something ingrained but we're rather a product of playing with young receivers, a poor line, and a mew OC in 2022. The two guys with the least number of risky attributes are Stroud and Levis, in my opinion. With Young and Richardson You're rolling the dice and hoping that one or three things can change or be negligible enough for them to be stars. I'd love Richardson at 10, I'd love Young at 10. Levis and Stroud are the only two I'd take at 1.

Close to Young traits wise? Close. More zip, better accuracy, better pocket presence, whole field reads, kills plays at rhe line.. The only thing Stroud isn't better at is scrambling and throwing off platform. Everyone recall 2020, when Zac Wilson was the talk of the town because of "Arm angles" and "ability to create". That's Bryce Young this year.

League meetings? The collection of all 32 NFL coaches? Seems they could get a sense of where things are heading this week easily. And I'm not mad about it. The more I watch Brcye, the more I think he's just a good college QB. Small, lacks elite traits of any kind physically, lacks zip on the ball, played at Bama with Metchie and Williams. Think Tua may actually have been better but I think both will be back-ups on their 2nd contract. The Dolphins would offload Tua if they could.

Jarrod Clark is your guy then. 6'4, 350, runs around a 5 second 40.

People tend to forget that about Seattle. Wagner, Chancellor, 29, Sherman, Browning Man they were stacked and it was all home grown.

I know that Tua and Wilson were knocked out cold last year and that Kyler tore an ACL. Those are the comps for Young... Probably an anomaly though, right?

Give me Nick Hampton at App State - 6'3 240 lbs, 81 inch arms, 4.6 40 OLB. Guy can drop or pass rush and would be an ideal guy to cover space or blitz on 3rd down. Jarrod Clark out of Coastal Carolina who is 6'4 340 lb Nose Tackle. Should be there on Day 3. Zach Kuntz out of ODU. Penn State Transfer TE who is like 6'8 250 lbs and runs like a receiver. Should also be there on Day 3.

With a 5% flat income tax, you'd think we could offer slightly less than teams in New York, Illinois, California, etc. I'm shocked at the number of players who take jobs in California and Washington for the same pay as a state like Florida. Dudes need financial management planners on speed dial during free agency.

We already know that McCown and Reich want Stroud. We know McCown because he basically said as much in his video breakdowns and we know Reich because it's been leaked. If we take Young it's because of Tepper. He's a business guy and Young is a little more of what you'd expect to see in the corporate world than Stroud. It makes sense that Tepper would like that. So again, I hope Tepper stays out of it and let's the experts he pays millions for make the decision. Tepper hired Rhule though so I'm not holding my breath that he knows what he's doing. If you're an owner, you hire people who are industry experts. Operations subject matter experts, and you trust their judgment. Tepper is like the guy who always wanted to own a team as a hobby and now wants to be involved in the day to day, which I get. I'd probably go out to dinner with potential draft picks as well. But I'd let the guys I pay $75 million to make the decisions.

That's the thing, what worked for Bryce in college, even in the SEC, may not translate. Russell Wilson was a great pocket passer at NC State and Wisconsin. He scrambled when he needed to but he wasn't out there running around in circles like Bryce tends to do. Kyler Murray is a baseball player and his speed and throwing motion, along with initial velocity and spin rate, show that. Young is neither of those. I'd say his comp is closer to Doug Flutie but no one wants to admit it. He's a small, good college QB on the most talented roster in college football. Put Stroud down in Alabama with Bill O'Brian and I think Stroud still throws 40 touchdowns and for 4,000 yards. I think Levis would've even put up better numbers than Bryce at Alabama. Look at what he did in 2021 at freaking Kentucky.

Well, considering the synergy we now see between coaching staff and front office, I'd say Rhule trying to control everything was the problem. I'm not sold that Tepper isn't a part of the issue as well but we will see. We know the staff wants Stroud. If we draft Young it's because of Tepper and at that point my feelings on him will be solidified. This staff is a rookie QB's Dream and Stroud has all of the tools to take advantage of it. Young, not so much.

Downs is going to end up hurt. Dude is a Microbot. Not sure about Flowers. Is there anyone who may be overlooked from a G5 that can run like Hill?

Bu..bu..but Baker is Baker. He has a photograohic memory, a stronger arm than Young, good movement skills, etc. I see Young as slightly better than Baker just because his release is quicker but all of his balls float. He can't Rope anything in beyond 10 yards past the LOS and making those cross field throws, on time, is going to be hard for him. Stroud makes those outs and digs look easy from 40 yards out. His footwork is perfect. He makes the right reads pre-snap. We don't need the most vocal guy. We need a guy who can execute and Reich hasn't had someone who can place the ball like Stroud since Luck. Obviously Luck could run but that ended up being his downfall as well. And for people who sag you need someone who can create. Tom Brady went to 10 Super Bowls. He may be the least athletic guy who ever played in the NFL. Stroud has the same kind of ball placement as Brady, Luck, Burrow, etc. If it's there mentally as well, you take him and don't look back, especially with Caldwell, MCcown, and Reich.

It's all Arm angle and movement. The thing is that there are a ton of other metrics including injuries. Three QB's last year were around Bryce Youngs measurements: Russell Wilson, Tua, and Kyler. Russell and Tua were knocked out cold at least once and Kyler tore his ACL. Obviously that can happen to anyone, including Joe Burrow. However every since Burrow tore his ACL and the Bengals realized that wasn't sustainable, they went and got Jamar Chase and offensive line help. They've been to the AFC Championship game two years in a row. If our QB Coach says that Stroud is a lot like Burrow, not Burrow-lite or Mini-Burrow, you go get him. Bryce Young being called Mahomes-lite is funny because he's lite in every sense of the word: Arm strength, height, pocket presence, Arm angles, platforms, etc. He was a mini-Mahomes in college. If we could take Young in the 2nd or at 9 I'd have said go for it. But at Number 1? Hell no. You go with the guy whose comp is Burrow. He reads defenses, makes checks, pre-snap reads, literally walks the ball 60 yards downfield, and tore up the countries best defense in UGA, straight up shook the best defensive tackle in Jalin Carter and threw a touchdown, etc. It's not even close. Not. Even. Close. Just need Tepper to not screw this up like his soccer team.

Josh McCown compared Stroud to Burrow. I don't see any way that we don't take Stroud unless Tepper wants his own personal pet project in Young. I'd agree about getting Jaxon but wouldn't that require trading Horn, Chinn, or Burns? No one is trading out of the first unless we give up a player.

I'd like to have a linebacker or Darnell Washington, personally. I'd like Nick Hampton from App State as a pass rusher for Ejiro and Capers in the 4th if he's there. Freak length and nearly the same measurable as Will Anderson.

If it gets Tepper out of the picture, so be it.

He's better than Stroud? In college, perhaps. In the NFL, highly unlikely. He scrambles around, great. People call him Mahomes-lite but he's Mahomes-literally I'm every way, Arm strength, height, processing speed, etc. Everyone loved Zac Wilson's off platform throws and ability to "create" as well. When it came down to him throwing from the pocket what happened? He can't do it. Give me Stroud, a proven pocket gun slinger who can hit 70 yards down the field as well as 30, all from the pocket. Bryce can't do that. If I'm Tepper, I listen to the experts that I hired to run the team.

Can Tepper not stay out of poo? God damn man.

All-Leg Team My point stands.