CPcavedweller

These aren’t trade off’s. You can have all four. Tepper just seems like a narcissist so he’s a very poor judge of others emotional intelligence and how it meshes with everything you mentioned.

If the Panthers had the top overall pick this year, Young would be out. People can go on and on about improvement, year one this, year one that. What we just witnessed was worse than what we saw from Josh Rosen with the Cardinals and on par with, if not worse, than what we got from Jimmy Clausen in 2010. Generally you'll see something that wows you, or gives you hope, but I didn't get any of that with Bryce. I watched the Texans game on Saturday and it's just mind boggling how the Panthers could look at this two in back to back Pro Days and then decide that Young is the guy. The ball jumps off of Strouds hands, he's mobile, he can play from under center, he makes full field reads, and guys follow his lead. There is no way an offensive staff as experienced as what the Panthers hired looked at Young and Stroud side by side and said "Yep, Young should be the pick". That brings me to the Tepper's. The only commonality that's happened since Tepper bought the team is that there is a QB acquisition each off-season and the mantra is always "we need to find our QB of the future, no matter how much it costs us". Fitterer said this, but he didn't come from the school of making bad trades or overdrafting guys. The Seahawks are one of the best drafting franchises in the NFL and their roster management is top notch. We haven't seen a lot of that under Fitterer which tells me that Tepper is far more involved in the Day-to-Day, intermediate term, and Strategic decision making in regards to personnel. 1. Teddy Two-Gloves 2. Sam Darnold 3. Baker Mayfield 4. Bryce Young Each of these guys cost draft picks and only Darnold, once we finally went heavy play action with Foreman to protect the offensive line and QB, had even a modicum of success. He fired Rivera a few months into a 3-4 change on defense, fired Brady after a short tenure, fired Rhule, and now fired Reich and Fitterer after a move that by all accounts was created by Tepper. The point of this post is to say that if you can get a quarterback at the Top of the 2nd round, or even trade back up into the first, you do it. You can't go into next season with only Young as your starter based on what we've seen this year. If we had the top pick, he would be gone. Which just goes to show, if we had just stood pat with what we had, and still sucked this year, we could've had our pick of Maye, Penix, or Williams and could've had a very young, talented core of talent to build around. Instead, we are the new Browns.

Hire a defensive minded head coach, sign Derrick Henry, trade Miles Sanders, draft two BURNERS at receiver, and mandate that Bryce Young do nothing but train under center in the off-season. I'm talking 1990's offensive football. Play action that bitch 75% of the time.

Coordinators who can't coordinate for poo, sure. Our offense took a nosedive from an NYFD firefighter and secondary coach as head coach. Money isn't everything. Tepper is the ultimate square peg guy.

Bryce was not the consensus number one pick, by a mile. If the Texans had drafted first, they would've taken Young. I feel like many other teams would've passed on Bryce if he was the option. Given the Bears position last year, if Bryce was surefire, they would've kept the pick, traded fields, and drafted Young. The fact they didn't is very telling.

I haven't seen the questions other than his ACL's at Indiana. Any questions for Penix are two-fold for Bryce yet we mortgaged the franchise for him.

Our offensive line is fine. We need to get back to what works and keep the main thing the main thing. A Top 10 line under Wilks, a defensive coordinator by trade, went to poo under an offensive Head Coach. Players aren't the issue, it's the system.

Like what, exactly? Bryce didn't make half the throws that Penix makes and is a good 5 inches shorter. If there are a "multitude of questions" about Penix, why was Bryce the "surefire number one pick"? Give me a break. And while you're at it, give me Penix or Nix.

You don't think Harrison Jr. is a generational talent? He was bred to be a wide receiver in the NFL. Quite literally. He's been good at Ohio State. He will be an All-Pro in the NFL. Pair him with DJ Moore and a surging Justin Fields? My god. Or, they could trade down, trade Fields, and still get Penix/Marvin Harrison Jr.

Why would Ben Johnson come to Carolina for any reason other than money? You have a meddling owner who has had 5 head coaches on two different teams. It's a recipe for disaster and the reputation he has among coaching circles is most likely horrible.

If you're trying to say Bryce is a game manager, he's not even that. People are trying to label guys like Purdy as a Game Manager and I have a feeling it's solely because they see certain characteristics of his appearance and how he plays the game, dishing the rock, and they say "manager". Looking at his stats, he has a good case for MVP. Give me the Purdy mold of Game Manager all day.

It was dead money either way, and it's not yours. What do you care?

Yes, but it won't happen because Tepper has shown no ability to solely what is logical. He didn't retain Wilks after Wilks literally turned around a moribund franchise in about two weeks. The 12 weeks with Wilks were the best this team has looked since 2018. So do I expect him to keep Evero? No. Defensive football doesn't sell tickets, apparently. Nevermind that the defense and offense will be complimentary and as a fast, attacking, defense, Evero would likely go after an offense of the same mold.

Keeping Darnold and Wilks would have been a positive move. I will say it for the 10 millionth time, Sam Darnold's two head coaches have been ADAM GASE and MATT RHULE, neither of whom are coaching in the NFL right now because they were so bad as head coaches. I'd take Darnold and Wilks over whatever it is we had this year and what we had this year was Tepper's master plan. Lastly, Tepper is at fault here. He is the one who tells Fitterer what he wants and Fitterer just executes whatever in whatever way. You don't come from a place like Seattle and do what Fitterer has been alleged to do without some input or force (i.e. Tepper).

Going back in time, the Panthers would've been better with Hurney and Rivera the past few years. Rivera's biggest flaw was holding on to Shula and waiting to switch to a 3-4 for too long. Now watch Tepper do some dumb poo and hire a defensive coordinator that runs a 4-3, yet again, a year within switching to a 3-4.

Bros. Firing Fitterer isn't going to fix anything. Tepper will still impose his will under threat of job under the next guy. Tepper needs to sell the team to fix this. That, or he needs to go on a permanent vacation and install a management group.

Which is easier to build and easier to win with. Otherwise the Vikings, Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, etc. would all be the front runners. The Eagles and the Chiefs got to the Super Bowl last year because of their defense. Their offense helped. So yeah. Spend a majority of your salary cap to build an elite offense, neglect your defense, and you're still not beating the Cowboys, Chiefs, Lions, etc. this year. You may win in the regular season but in the post season? Defense wins championships. Offenses win games. It's sort of like the old adage "offensive linemen block for 1st downs, wide receivers block for touchdowns"

I've been saying this since 2019. I really yelled it last off-season and was nearly banned for it. Now you're getting pie? Being a visionary is hard sometimes man.

Continuing to lose games could shore up the Bears. Imagine a world where the off-load Fields for three 2nd round pics and a future 1st, get Drake Maye, get Marvin Harrison Jr. hire Ben Johnson as their HC, and now have DJ Moore to go along with the best receiver in recent history, two generational talents to go along with a generational talent as a head coach. Bears could be set for a decade. And that means if we ever hope to win, we have to go through them.

Maybe. I'm not out there getting hit by a Mack Truck one day a week so I don't know. But from a personnel development aspect, you can't bench Bryce. What you can do is change the offensive philosophy to protect him and protect the offensive line. Heavy run and heavy play action passing game. FORCE him to learn to play under center.

Well, at least one team is scoring high now. Which is why Tepper is a moron, again. Games with scoring in the high 20's is a high scoring game in the NFL. The biggest problem with Tepper's logic is that in the NFL, as opposed to college, a win is a win is a win. It doesn't matter how you get it. "Just win, baby". "You play to win the game", "Playoffs. Playoffs?" Tepper forgot about that. The team with the best defense generally wins the championship games. Does Tepper think the Patriots cared that they beat the Rams 13-3 instead of 43-33? Or that the Patriots were able to hold the Falcons scoreless after they got to 28? Does he realize the investment the 49er's have made in their defensive personnel since they have an offensive head coach and defensive GM? The 49er's success is enabled by four guys on offense and probably 10 guys on defense. DEFENSE. RUNNING GAME. PLAY ACTION. UNDER CENTER. DEFENSE. May sound boring. But I'd rather watch that and win than see another fuging tunnel screen to Adam Theilen.

Deductive reasoning. 1. Is likely factual 2. 95% fact, 5% speculation 3. 50% fact, 50% speculation - We know Tepper made the head coaching decision. He never really wanted Wilks from what I understand so I have to assume Wilks made it that far at the behest of Fitterer 4. 100% Fact - Look at the Seahawk's and tell me when they've done something comparable. This would be totally out of left field for a guy like Fitterer. We know for a fact that we've had a new starting QB each year since Tepper bought the team accross three head coaches. That's one constant presence which tells me he is the driver of this. Having a franchise QB is good for business. Problem is that buying low and selling high doesn't work in football. Buying blue chip stock doesn't work well either if the CEO of that stock holding is garbage and runs it into the ground (i.e. Disney and Bryce Young comparison). Ultimately, football is just a game and Tepper is missing that point. He doesn't love the game of football. He doesn't watch nor pay attention to college football aside from what the ESPN talking heads have to say most likely. He's literally as informed as any one of us, except I watch probably 10 to 15 college football games a weekend and re-watch some more during the week while I'm working so I'd like to believe I could make decent decisions given the opportunity. Tepper isn't that. This is a pet project for him that he thought would be easy. That much is clear. He's also ruining peoples livelihoods and careers in the process of his ownership.

McCown said as much on his YouTube channel during a breakdown of Stroud. He effectively said as much at Stroud's Pro Day which was captured on camera. Then you compare the body language of everyone at Stroud's Pro Day versus their body language at Young's. The only group who seemed more please at Bryce's were the Tepper's. Now why would they want Young over Stroud? One is more microphone ready. He's probably better in a business meeting, better in speaking engagements, more polite perhaps with better table manners. And Young got the stamp of approval from Nick Saban, which is a death stamp, as far as I'm concerned for QB's. But, Tepper doesn't know poo about college football so he took it. The story of how the trade happened is also very telling.

No one is mad that Young is starting over Dalton. Not only was Bryce taken number one, but we gave up another number one, a number two, and a play worth a number one. You almost have to give him experience. Hell, I don't like it either but there is no point in cutting bait right now considering everything is guaranteed from the picks given to his salary.

What do we accomplish with that? The fact of the matter is that you mortgaged your future for Young, whether it was Reich, Fitterer, or Tepper. You have to go with what you have, unless you can dump Bryce for a late 1st Round pick or something. Imagine a world where we don't trade up for Bryce, and we have a shot at Jayden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, or Bo Nix. This is why owners don't make personnel decisions. The decisions for the 2024 QB Class are infinitely better than they were in 2023. 1. Daniels 2. Stroud 3. Maye 4. Williams 5. Nix 6. Richardson 7. DTR 8. O'Connel 9. Young? Like he is so far down this list it's ridiculous.