CPcavedweller

The YPA is my biggest issue. Go 55% completion as a rookie, I don't care. But have a 5 YPA and there is clearly an issue.

Tepper doesn't have a plan. Otherwise we never would've traded up for Bryce nor would we have hired Reich. Wilks could've just as easily brought in Thomas Brown and Josh McCown to coach on this staff.

Wilks is fools gold? Based on what? Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me.

Would rather have Kellen Moore.

When the organization is putting out media about how we are a potential playoff team right away, people tend to get disappointed. This is the worst start for this team, ever. Literally going back to 1995.

Just let Fitterer do his job? It was obvious that the Panthers were zeroed in on Wilks and likely never would've traded up in this draft if they had re-signed Wilks. Tepper wanted an offensive guy and he wanted "his" QB. Josh wanted CJ Stroud. His draft preview and his comments at the Ohio State Pro Day said as much. I can't help but think that the rest of the staff felt the same way until Tepper came in dodging, ducking, dipping diving, and, yes, dodging his way into the picture.

Say it with me: Tepper, is the problem. He wants to be Jerry Jones without the potential backlash so he doesn't give himself the GM title. He never should've been at Pro Days. He never should've been meeting with players at the Pro Days. He should've stayed home and let Fitterer and Co. do their job. If I was a better GM than Fitterer, I'd quit and go back to Seattle before Tepper completely ruined my career.

You can't drop back 50 times a game and win. You can't throw the ball between the LOS and 20 yards out exclusively or the box will stay stacked. You can't expect a rookie QB to go out and win the game for you. Go back to what made this line look deadly and run under center.

1. We have the wrong scheme. We went back to the fundamentals last year which made our offensive line a Top 13 or so group in the league and helped Darnold play like a Top 10 QB outside of the last game. 2. We traded away both of our best offensive players in CMC and Moore 3. I think we hired the wrong Head Coach. Wilks could've brought all these same guys in without the requirement that he call plays and he is an excellent defensive mind with true leadership ability. Young would probably be good on a team with a solid core and a solid system but we have neither.

You claim people who have been Panthers fans longer than you've been alive are Texans fans, and expect no response? If you are an adequate sample of Gen Z, I need to not only get out of Panthers Fandom but possibly this country.

Also, Tepper wanted Reich and Young. That isn't on Fitterer and the next GM we hire would be in the same exact position of working for wannabe Jerry Jones.

So being someone who wanted CJ Stroud and for us to keep Wilks makes us Texans and 49er's fans? Jesus man, what a leap in logic. This really is a microcosm of society today. If you're not this, then you're that. I'm not a fan of Bryce Young, I wanted to draft Stroud and lament the success he is having, therefor I am a Texans fan? The most illogical conclusion I've seen here in a long time and it's honestly far worse to have your perspective than it is to say that Stroud looks like he could win OROY. Time for you to reevaluate your critical thinking skills.

Tua was close to 50 in QBR and had a whole yard or two more per pass attempt. We just played potentially the worst defense in the NFL and didn't score a touchdown. Bryce is not Tua, though it may take having a Hall of Fame receiver and another one or two first round draft pick weapons to make it work with him. What happens to our defense in that situation? Garbage.

Anyone remember the last time we took the most NFL ready QB? The JIMMEHHHHH CLAAAWWWW-SOOONNNNNN That ended well.

Chris Gamble would probably tell him to relax. Or whoever jaw he broke. I forgot now.

Guessing that's Teppers wife? Or one of his wives? Or girlfriends? Or escorts? Tepper seems nice enough but his ego is bigger than his non-liquitable asset accounts and as you get up in age, you really begin to ponder things like time. What is a "4 year rebuild"? Well, in fan years, it's an eternity. The excitement of the Cam years is gone and Tepper tried to replicate that to drive revenue which may pay off eventually. The biggest problem I have isn't that Young won't be good one day, but that to make him good you'll have to sacrifice elsewhere. Certain guys allow you to skirt on top of the line talent at other positions whereas Bryce will require that expense which in the salary cap world is disaster if you don't draft for poo.

I don't need a fuging pledge nor do I need to give it to the Panthers. I've been a fan for as long as I've watched the NFL, growing up close to Charlotte, with a team that came into existence when I was just 4 years old. I'm not a Bryce Young fan. I'm not a Cam Newton fan. I'm not a Jake Delhomme, Steve Smith, Peppers, Stewart, Williams, Moose, Walls, Hoover, Kuechly, Gross, Mick Mixon, Anish, etc. fan. Thus I will not require a pledge. I am a Panthers fan. There is no alternative. I may quit watching and just catch replays rather than risking the wrath of my wife every weekend for this garbage but still, I'm a fan. I also won't say nice things about Bryce Young's next 5 yard completion just to make the new age sensitive types happy here.

Taking Bryce was impulsive. It's like once they met with him, they really ceased evaluations. Tepper never should've been in on those meetings. You hire football people to do football things. If you want a private meeting later, you send your jet to pick them up for a non-football related meeting with just the GM. I work in a contract business and it's such a waste to contract with and pay people ridiculous amounts of money for their specialty just to ignore their advice. This is exactly what Tepper is doing. I think he now realizes he should've listened to Josh and taken CJ Stroud and that going back even further, he should've listened to damn near everyone and hired Wilks.

So we have to settle for minnows while the Texans are out there catching fish so big they have to tie it to the side of the boat? Come on son.

No one knows the future for certain and this thread is literally a "what if" thread so I can't "what if" all I want. You can disagree if you want. However the Bears have an amazing opportunity here. A franchise altering opportunity. I've also watched enough of Williams ans Drake Maye to have a good feeling that not only will they not be busts, but both are likely to be perennial Pro Bowl players. Both of the physical traits and mental processing are what you'd look for, meanwhile we went for one of those two.

I supported Cam and I wanted Stroud or Richardson. Young would've been a 3rd round pick if he'd played anywhere else but Alabama.

He wasn't wrong. We traded our first round pick away next year. A draft that will include Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, Taulia (Tua's brother), and a few other potentially big armed dudes. However I still blame this on Tepper. Tepper wanted a QB and he made damn sure we went out and got one. Our GM is the fall guy.

1. No, but that's a red herring. No one here is mad at Bryce Young. People here are upset with Tepper for ignoring reality and mettling in what should be football only discussions which would've led to Anthony Richardson or C.J. Stroud. 2. If Bryce Young played anywhere but Alabama, he would've been a third round pick. Taulia Taugaviola (spelling) would be talked about as the Number One pick in the 2024 Draft if he played at Alabama. Instead, he plays at Maryland and is largely ignored, but his traits are much better almost across the board than Bryce Young's. 3. WE ARE RUNNING THE WRONG OFFENSE. I said this as soon as Reich was hired, I said it during the summer, I said it during pre-season. If we go back to dropping back 40 times a game and running out of the shotgun primarily, we will lose, period. People don't understand football, which is fine. But our transition last year under Wilks was out of necessity in order to protect our offensive line and better protect the QB. So we went to a run heavy game from under center and went play action off of that. Anytime we got into obvious passing situations late in games, Ickey was EATEN ALIVE, as he is now. Primary issue now is that Bryce is 5'9 and can't see over the line when running under center so transitioning back to that type of offense isn't possible unless you bench him. Winning this season is too far gone at this point but I was in favor of sending a 7th round pick for D'Onta Foreman. If nothing else, you could get Bryce more experience under center, go to 12 and 13 personnel and run two receivers to get the alignments to make sense. We can't run the ball now because the opposition is putting 8 and 9 guys in a box while we continue to try to run out of the shotgun right into it. We don't change our packages to better suit the running game and it's a disaster to watch. It's like we "run because we have to" rather than making it make sense. If they can stop the run and stop the pass out of the same defensive package, we will never do much of anything. AND NONE OF THAT IS THE OFFENSIVE LINES FAULT. We have guys suited to road grade. That was the idea with picking each of them. So now we ask them to pass block 50 times a game and expect success? Come on man. As for Young, we made the wrong pick. It was as obvious on the day it happened as it is now. It was also obvious that it was Tepper's call which is why people are pissed.

It really depends on what happens with the Bears. If the Bears end up off-loading Justin Fields and getting Drake Maye/Caleb Williams AND Marvin Harrison Jr., along with a guy like Eric Bienemy as Head Coach, then yes. Absolutely. The consequence of this trade will have been massive.

2010: A Jimmy Clausen Oddysey 2023: Part Deaux, the Bryce Young Chapter The coaching staff is trying to square peg, round hole this offensive line. They showed that they can road grade in 2022 when running under center and running play action. Reich is insistent on running out of the shotgun and it's a failure.