CPcavedweller

1. We have the wrong scheme. We went back to the fundamentals last year which made our offensive line a Top 13 or so group in the league and helped Darnold play like a Top 10 QB outside of the last game. 2. We traded away both of our best offensive players in CMC and Moore 3. I think we hired the wrong Head Coach. Wilks could've brought all these same guys in without the requirement that he call plays and he is an excellent defensive mind with true leadership ability. Young would probably be good on a team with a solid core and a solid system but we have neither.

You claim people who have been Panthers fans longer than you've been alive are Texans fans, and expect no response? If you are an adequate sample of Gen Z, I need to not only get out of Panthers Fandom but possibly this country.

Also, Tepper wanted Reich and Young. That isn't on Fitterer and the next GM we hire would be in the same exact position of working for wannabe Jerry Jones.

So being someone who wanted CJ Stroud and for us to keep Wilks makes us Texans and 49er's fans? Jesus man, what a leap in logic. This really is a microcosm of society today. If you're not this, then you're that. I'm not a fan of Bryce Young, I wanted to draft Stroud and lament the success he is having, therefor I am a Texans fan? The most illogical conclusion I've seen here in a long time and it's honestly far worse to have your perspective than it is to say that Stroud looks like he could win OROY. Time for you to reevaluate your critical thinking skills.

Tua was close to 50 in QBR and had a whole yard or two more per pass attempt. We just played potentially the worst defense in the NFL and didn't score a touchdown. Bryce is not Tua, though it may take having a Hall of Fame receiver and another one or two first round draft pick weapons to make it work with him. What happens to our defense in that situation? Garbage.

Anyone remember the last time we took the most NFL ready QB? The JIMMEHHHHH CLAAAWWWW-SOOONNNNNN That ended well.

Chris Gamble would probably tell him to relax. Or whoever jaw he broke. I forgot now.

Guessing that's Teppers wife? Or one of his wives? Or girlfriends? Or escorts? Tepper seems nice enough but his ego is bigger than his non-liquitable asset accounts and as you get up in age, you really begin to ponder things like time. What is a "4 year rebuild"? Well, in fan years, it's an eternity. The excitement of the Cam years is gone and Tepper tried to replicate that to drive revenue which may pay off eventually. The biggest problem I have isn't that Young won't be good one day, but that to make him good you'll have to sacrifice elsewhere. Certain guys allow you to skirt on top of the line talent at other positions whereas Bryce will require that expense which in the salary cap world is disaster if you don't draft for poo.

I don't need a fuging pledge nor do I need to give it to the Panthers. I've been a fan for as long as I've watched the NFL, growing up close to Charlotte, with a team that came into existence when I was just 4 years old. I'm not a Bryce Young fan. I'm not a Cam Newton fan. I'm not a Jake Delhomme, Steve Smith, Peppers, Stewart, Williams, Moose, Walls, Hoover, Kuechly, Gross, Mick Mixon, Anish, etc. fan. Thus I will not require a pledge. I am a Panthers fan. There is no alternative. I may quit watching and just catch replays rather than risking the wrath of my wife every weekend for this garbage but still, I'm a fan. I also won't say nice things about Bryce Young's next 5 yard completion just to make the new age sensitive types happy here.

Taking Bryce was impulsive. It's like once they met with him, they really ceased evaluations. Tepper never should've been in on those meetings. You hire football people to do football things. If you want a private meeting later, you send your jet to pick them up for a non-football related meeting with just the GM. I work in a contract business and it's such a waste to contract with and pay people ridiculous amounts of money for their specialty just to ignore their advice. This is exactly what Tepper is doing. I think he now realizes he should've listened to Josh and taken CJ Stroud and that going back even further, he should've listened to damn near everyone and hired Wilks.

So we have to settle for minnows while the Texans are out there catching fish so big they have to tie it to the side of the boat? Come on son.

No one knows the future for certain and this thread is literally a "what if" thread so I can't "what if" all I want. You can disagree if you want. However the Bears have an amazing opportunity here. A franchise altering opportunity. I've also watched enough of Williams ans Drake Maye to have a good feeling that not only will they not be busts, but both are likely to be perennial Pro Bowl players. Both of the physical traits and mental processing are what you'd look for, meanwhile we went for one of those two.

I supported Cam and I wanted Stroud or Richardson. Young would've been a 3rd round pick if he'd played anywhere else but Alabama.

He wasn't wrong. We traded our first round pick away next year. A draft that will include Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, Taulia (Tua's brother), and a few other potentially big armed dudes. However I still blame this on Tepper. Tepper wanted a QB and he made damn sure we went out and got one. Our GM is the fall guy.

1. No, but that's a red herring. No one here is mad at Bryce Young. People here are upset with Tepper for ignoring reality and mettling in what should be football only discussions which would've led to Anthony Richardson or C.J. Stroud. 2. If Bryce Young played anywhere but Alabama, he would've been a third round pick. Taulia Taugaviola (spelling) would be talked about as the Number One pick in the 2024 Draft if he played at Alabama. Instead, he plays at Maryland and is largely ignored, but his traits are much better almost across the board than Bryce Young's. 3. WE ARE RUNNING THE WRONG OFFENSE. I said this as soon as Reich was hired, I said it during the summer, I said it during pre-season. If we go back to dropping back 40 times a game and running out of the shotgun primarily, we will lose, period. People don't understand football, which is fine. But our transition last year under Wilks was out of necessity in order to protect our offensive line and better protect the QB. So we went to a run heavy game from under center and went play action off of that. Anytime we got into obvious passing situations late in games, Ickey was EATEN ALIVE, as he is now. Primary issue now is that Bryce is 5'9 and can't see over the line when running under center so transitioning back to that type of offense isn't possible unless you bench him. Winning this season is too far gone at this point but I was in favor of sending a 7th round pick for D'Onta Foreman. If nothing else, you could get Bryce more experience under center, go to 12 and 13 personnel and run two receivers to get the alignments to make sense. We can't run the ball now because the opposition is putting 8 and 9 guys in a box while we continue to try to run out of the shotgun right into it. We don't change our packages to better suit the running game and it's a disaster to watch. It's like we "run because we have to" rather than making it make sense. If they can stop the run and stop the pass out of the same defensive package, we will never do much of anything. AND NONE OF THAT IS THE OFFENSIVE LINES FAULT. We have guys suited to road grade. That was the idea with picking each of them. So now we ask them to pass block 50 times a game and expect success? Come on man. As for Young, we made the wrong pick. It was as obvious on the day it happened as it is now. It was also obvious that it was Tepper's call which is why people are pissed.

It really depends on what happens with the Bears. If the Bears end up off-loading Justin Fields and getting Drake Maye/Caleb Williams AND Marvin Harrison Jr., along with a guy like Eric Bienemy as Head Coach, then yes. Absolutely. The consequence of this trade will have been massive.

2010: A Jimmy Clausen Oddysey 2023: Part Deaux, the Bryce Young Chapter The coaching staff is trying to square peg, round hole this offensive line. They showed that they can road grade in 2022 when running under center and running play action. Reich is insistent on running out of the shotgun and it's a failure.

Why yes, yes he is. He's been quarterback hunting since 2020 and largely its been inconsequential. This decision to trade a bunch of picks and a franchise type player away for a QB is going to set the team back years and it's showing. This is hard to watch. It's very reminiscent of 2010.

With the guy who still has JIMMEHHH as his avatar picture, or whatever it's called now, I'm not surprised you'd want to see that. Give me Andy Dalton. The "Red Rocket" is here to stay.

Brian Burns is a franchise type player. If you trade anyone it's Chinn and Horn. Not because they aren't good, but one is hurt all the time and the other can be replaced quite easily.

That's what happens when you drop back to pass 65 times.

We don't have Andy Reid coaching this team so I highly doubt Reich would scheme something to take advantage of his speed. Adam Theilen is allegedly slow but still managed to have 11 catches for 150 yards yesterday. Chark is plenty fast. If we want a receiver, I doubt Mecole is going to be that key to the lock. We need a scheme focused on running. Send a conditional 7th round pick to the Bears for D'Onta Foreman, watch game tape from last year, and revert back to those blocking schemes and that run game. If we keep running the poo we are running now the only way we will win is if the defense shuts the other offense down.

All right, let's get something straight, the Seahawks have a bad RUN DEFENSE which is why we smoked them last year with Wilks and Foreman leading the charge. Knowing that the Seahawks are bad at defending the run, surely Reich the offensive genius would scheme up an under center run game to make them look silly, right? WRONG. Instead, we play to their strengths and throw the ball 60 times. 1. Running out of the shotgun does not work in the NFL like it does in college and even the college game is going more to pistol looks because it increases versatility. 2. Running shotgun as your base formation because your QB is 5'9 185 lbs isn't going to work. The Cardinals showed this is the case. It's why the Dolphins primarily run out of under center, 11 and 12 personnel. We started winning last year because we ran the ball, even when it wasn't working, because play action passing takes pressure off of the QB, line, and receivers. When the defense knows you're going to throw you're at a severe disadvantage.

I am not trading any defensive stars from this team, period. The only thing keeping us competitive right now is the three guys you mentioned and all of them are those generational, core assets that you don't get rid of. At this point, there is no option to trade "up". Anyone we trade would be a down and would harm more than it would help. I also don't trust Tepper to stay out of the way when it comes to drafting and signing free agents. Your most valuable assets are draft picks and key players. Personally, I think you have to ride it out. We already made a horrible trade for Bryce despite all of the indicators, statistics, and recent history says that its a horrible idea. Don't double down on that mistake.

So Tua is 4 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier? Throws a better deep ball, throws with more velocity, better anticipation, and is now on to no look passes with the fastest team in the history of rhe NFL. Yes, let's replicate alllll of it. The Raiders tried this for decades and failed. There is only one Tyreek Hill man. There has never been anyone like him in NFL History. You might be able to go find someone who is fast, who is thick, who can run routes, and who can catch, but usually you're picking from those traits. Hill has all of them. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Tua was also better than Bryce at Alabama with the same type of players. If it was easy to build what the Dolphins have on offense everyone would've already done it as well. Regardless, they are one Tua concussion from being back to the basics. Lastly, Bryce already got hurt, in Week 2. So that shows his longevity. I find it insane that people will still defend taking Bryce over Richardson or Stroud when both of them are doing a lot more with a lot less than what the Panthers have on offense and one of them has a defensive minded head coach (cough, keep Wilks, cough). Maybe Bryce pans out long-term, maybe he doesn't. But he's going to require an All-Star cast of characters whereas the Colts and Texas appear to have gotten guys that can elevate others. That alone makes expenditures on other facets if the team much easier.