CPcavedweller

I graded it an F at the time. I grade it as an F now. If the staff, and Tepper, had just let Josh McCown do his job, we would have Stroud right now. Instead Tepper got to ignore his $30,000,000 staff of football experts based on a dinner where a 5’9 185 lb QB ordered a SALAD; and perhaps he listened to Nick Saban. I got a week long suspension in the summer for continuing to talk about this. My desired draft was as follows (trade down): 1. Dalton Kincaid 2. Zach Charbonnet 3. Marvin Mims 4-7. defense Keep Wilks and let him hire his staff, re-sign Darnold, re-sign Foreman, trade Burns, trade Horn, keep DJ Moore, sign a TE like Hayden Hurst. Instead, we got what we got. We may have sucked again in 2023, but we would’ve had a shot at Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels, McCarthy, Bo Nix, etc. My idea for the franchise being better than a billionaire hedge fund managers is hilarious to me. If I were a coach, or free agent, I wouldn’t want to come to Charlotte right now. We are the new Cleveland. Ironic considering Tepper’s ties to Pittsburgh.

Steve Wilks, Belichick, Harbaugh, Evero, Callahan i like the idea of a defensive coach who will bring in their offensive staff. I know Tepper wants a head coach to bring Bryce Along but that’s a lot to take on. Let the Head Coach be a Head Coach and bring his own guys in to manage the position groups. the head coach to mentor a single player aspect fails quite often.

Horn, when healthy, is a Top 10 player at his position.

Who could’ve seen 5’11 noodle armed QB’s not working in a quick strike NFL?

It was Tepper who wanted to trade up for Young. It was Tepper who forced the team to draft Young. history may put that on Fitt because owners always get a pass, but that wasn’t on him.

You think Baker played poorly because he didn’t want to be here? Baker is the epitome of pride in your work. There are no guarantees in the NFL so him playing poorly wouldn’t do much for him or the team. baker played poorly because this is what the Panthers have become under Tepper. He has 31 touchdowns this year. Let that sink in.

These aren’t trade off’s. You can have all four. Tepper just seems like a narcissist so he’s a very poor judge of others emotional intelligence and how it meshes with everything you mentioned.

If the Panthers had the top overall pick this year, Young would be out. People can go on and on about improvement, year one this, year one that. What we just witnessed was worse than what we saw from Josh Rosen with the Cardinals and on par with, if not worse, than what we got from Jimmy Clausen in 2010. Generally you'll see something that wows you, or gives you hope, but I didn't get any of that with Bryce. I watched the Texans game on Saturday and it's just mind boggling how the Panthers could look at this two in back to back Pro Days and then decide that Young is the guy. The ball jumps off of Strouds hands, he's mobile, he can play from under center, he makes full field reads, and guys follow his lead. There is no way an offensive staff as experienced as what the Panthers hired looked at Young and Stroud side by side and said "Yep, Young should be the pick". That brings me to the Tepper's. The only commonality that's happened since Tepper bought the team is that there is a QB acquisition each off-season and the mantra is always "we need to find our QB of the future, no matter how much it costs us". Fitterer said this, but he didn't come from the school of making bad trades or overdrafting guys. The Seahawks are one of the best drafting franchises in the NFL and their roster management is top notch. We haven't seen a lot of that under Fitterer which tells me that Tepper is far more involved in the Day-to-Day, intermediate term, and Strategic decision making in regards to personnel. 1. Teddy Two-Gloves 2. Sam Darnold 3. Baker Mayfield 4. Bryce Young Each of these guys cost draft picks and only Darnold, once we finally went heavy play action with Foreman to protect the offensive line and QB, had even a modicum of success. He fired Rivera a few months into a 3-4 change on defense, fired Brady after a short tenure, fired Rhule, and now fired Reich and Fitterer after a move that by all accounts was created by Tepper. The point of this post is to say that if you can get a quarterback at the Top of the 2nd round, or even trade back up into the first, you do it. You can't go into next season with only Young as your starter based on what we've seen this year. If we had the top pick, he would be gone. Which just goes to show, if we had just stood pat with what we had, and still sucked this year, we could've had our pick of Maye, Penix, or Williams and could've had a very young, talented core of talent to build around. Instead, we are the new Browns.

Hire a defensive minded head coach, sign Derrick Henry, trade Miles Sanders, draft two BURNERS at receiver, and mandate that Bryce Young do nothing but train under center in the off-season. I'm talking 1990's offensive football. Play action that bitch 75% of the time.

Coordinators who can't coordinate for poo, sure. Our offense took a nosedive from an NYFD firefighter and secondary coach as head coach. Money isn't everything. Tepper is the ultimate square peg guy.

Bryce was not the consensus number one pick, by a mile. If the Texans had drafted first, they would've taken Young. I feel like many other teams would've passed on Bryce if he was the option. Given the Bears position last year, if Bryce was surefire, they would've kept the pick, traded fields, and drafted Young. The fact they didn't is very telling.

I haven't seen the questions other than his ACL's at Indiana. Any questions for Penix are two-fold for Bryce yet we mortgaged the franchise for him.

Our offensive line is fine. We need to get back to what works and keep the main thing the main thing. A Top 10 line under Wilks, a defensive coordinator by trade, went to poo under an offensive Head Coach. Players aren't the issue, it's the system.

Like what, exactly? Bryce didn't make half the throws that Penix makes and is a good 5 inches shorter. If there are a "multitude of questions" about Penix, why was Bryce the "surefire number one pick"? Give me a break. And while you're at it, give me Penix or Nix.

You don't think Harrison Jr. is a generational talent? He was bred to be a wide receiver in the NFL. Quite literally. He's been good at Ohio State. He will be an All-Pro in the NFL. Pair him with DJ Moore and a surging Justin Fields? My god. Or, they could trade down, trade Fields, and still get Penix/Marvin Harrison Jr.

Why would Ben Johnson come to Carolina for any reason other than money? You have a meddling owner who has had 5 head coaches on two different teams. It's a recipe for disaster and the reputation he has among coaching circles is most likely horrible.

One could argue that Tom Brady was a game manager. Payton Manning was the ultimate game manager. There is literally nothing wrong with being a game manager, especially at QB. That's their job. Purdy had a bad game, it happens. I'd still take Purdy and Shanahan over whatever the Panthers have right now.

You going to say the same thing about everyone on these message boards? Fans are what drive the NFL, not the owners, not the players. If fans didn't care enough to banter, there would be no NFL.

If you're trying to say Bryce is a game manager, he's not even that. People are trying to label guys like Purdy as a Game Manager and I have a feeling it's solely because they see certain characteristics of his appearance and how he plays the game, dishing the rock, and they say "manager". Looking at his stats, he has a good case for MVP. Give me the Purdy mold of Game Manager all day.

It was dead money either way, and it's not yours. What do you care?

Yes, but it won't happen because Tepper has shown no ability to solely what is logical. He didn't retain Wilks after Wilks literally turned around a moribund franchise in about two weeks. The 12 weeks with Wilks were the best this team has looked since 2018. So do I expect him to keep Evero? No. Defensive football doesn't sell tickets, apparently. Nevermind that the defense and offense will be complimentary and as a fast, attacking, defense, Evero would likely go after an offense of the same mold.

Keeping Darnold and Wilks would have been a positive move. I will say it for the 10 millionth time, Sam Darnold's two head coaches have been ADAM GASE and MATT RHULE, neither of whom are coaching in the NFL right now because they were so bad as head coaches. I'd take Darnold and Wilks over whatever it is we had this year and what we had this year was Tepper's master plan. Lastly, Tepper is at fault here. He is the one who tells Fitterer what he wants and Fitterer just executes whatever in whatever way. You don't come from a place like Seattle and do what Fitterer has been alleged to do without some input or force (i.e. Tepper).

Going back in time, the Panthers would've been better with Hurney and Rivera the past few years. Rivera's biggest flaw was holding on to Shula and waiting to switch to a 3-4 for too long. Now watch Tepper do some dumb poo and hire a defensive coordinator that runs a 4-3, yet again, a year within switching to a 3-4.

Bros. Firing Fitterer isn't going to fix anything. Tepper will still impose his will under threat of job under the next guy. Tepper needs to sell the team to fix this. That, or he needs to go on a permanent vacation and install a management group.

Which is easier to build and easier to win with. Otherwise the Vikings, Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, etc. would all be the front runners. The Eagles and the Chiefs got to the Super Bowl last year because of their defense. Their offense helped. So yeah. Spend a majority of your salary cap to build an elite offense, neglect your defense, and you're still not beating the Cowboys, Chiefs, Lions, etc. this year. You may win in the regular season but in the post season? Defense wins championships. Offenses win games. It's sort of like the old adage "offensive linemen block for 1st downs, wide receivers block for touchdowns"