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Dude, you're kinda comparing apples to oranges. What Elway did and what Eli did were different than what Shedeur did. Shedeur did not publicly demand anything. It was through back channels and was more like a request. The Ravens understood and honored it. But even if you consider it entitlement (which is debatable regardless if you want to admit it or not), it was to a much lesser degree. After sliding, Sanders really didn't have any leverage whatsoever. As for his attitude you can obviously believe what you want, but it has been widely reported that Shedeur's attitude has been great since being in the league. Opinions about what he is, will become or won't become is getting way ahead of ourselves. I prefer to just wait and see what happens. He's young and has had a pretty good start. Highlight-reel-plays aren't a bad thing. I'm not invested in trying to pull the kid down. I realize that just like any other QB that has been drafted into the league, it's hard to say what they will become unless you see an appreciable body of work. Three games ain't really it. I'll withhold judgment on what I believe he can become after I see more.

I'm not cherry picking metrics. I'm ignoring all of them. There are things about a player that stats are never gonna tell you. And there are things you might think stats tell you that are actually wrong. We've been talking about Howell so I looked up his stats for last season with Seattle. In the two games where he played, he had a completion percentage under 36 percent and his overall quarterback rating was in the mid teens. Should I consider those things valid for evaluative purposes?

Just taking a stab, had no clue myself

It's a reference to the Carolina mic song

This board has those issues sometimes...

MillerTime

And, you're not wrong about the turnovers. That is a legitimate concern. But, I think he will cut down on those as he gets more comfortable. Learning when to pinch, when you have help and where your teammates expect you to be, is going to take some time. Maybe he never does, though. Burns and Orlov both struggled with turnovers throughout their times with us. But, both were net positives as players for the team. What excites me about Miller is that when he does turn it over, his ridiculous athleticism and skating ability allow him to, usually, negate his own mistakes. And, the stats seem to bear that out.

That's why it's important not to cherry pick specific metrics which is what you're doing here to try to make your argument that stats don't matter. But when a guy is superior across the board... I mean, you're left with a real uphill battle to make a compelling argument with concrete data to back it up. You're basically left with trying to make the argument that despite this guy performing worse in practically every measurable metric of QB play, I think he's actually a better player. That's a tough case to make.

I remember the song. Just not sure if there's something I'm missing as to how it got applied to our backfield. Was it just somebody's random example of a "Double Trouble" type nickname?

David Carr has better stats than a lot of guys when he played. Hell, when we got him one of the big talking points was that he had the best completion percentage in the entire league. Still didn't work out so well. Are there stats that measure field vision? Not really. You can try to apply stats to argue for it but it's all extrapolation. I go back to what I've said before as far as individual stats in a team game. ... Statement: "Quarterback X has lousy completion percentage." Question: How good are his receivers? ... Statement: "Quarterback X hasnt thrown for more than 200 yards in a single game this year." Question: Does his team have a run heavy scheme or a phenomenally effective run game? ... Statement: "Quarterback X has thrown for 3000 yards this season." Question: How many of those yards came after the catch? ... Statement: "Quarterback X didn't throw a pass further than ten yards last game." Question: But did he put the ball in good spots for his receivers to catch it and run for good gains? ... There are hundreds of examples like this, examples that apply to just about every measurable there is in the game. One of the things I have always loved about football is the incredible complexity of the game. But that complexity makes player evaluation all that much more difficult and means that dependence on "simple metrics" just isn't something you can hold in high priority.

dude...........

DC has some Pete Carroll similarities which is another reason why I think it would be a good fit. To be clear I'm not saying DC is as good as Carroll just shares a similar personality/style of coaching since he learned under him.

Could he be ready for the Super bowl?

Blake

Wasn't that a song from the 80s?

I'm not saying they tell the whole story, but when a guy is measurably better at everything it seems logical to conclude that... well, he's better. It's pretty rare to compare two players where one is measurably better across the board and try to argue that the lesser performer is actually the better player. You'd expect to be able to find something to hang your hat on in the numbers.

Stats can be deceiving. And in football especially they rarely tell the whole story. I'm always gonna trust my eyes over a stat sheet.

I mean, without some sort of concrete metrics you're basically just left with a pure opinion argument. I would expect a better player to be metrically superior at something. When one guy is measurably superior across the board it's speaking pretty loudly.

Bad team overall perhaps... ...but I'm not so sure I'd put our skill players (other than McMillan) and our MASH unit of an OL over theirs right now.

So, Shough better than Bryce confirmed?

From the Carolina Mic song. Buy a bus one big enough for all of us to double dutch