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I know people like to deem me the ultimate Clemson homer, but I rarely have ever been a fan of most first round type Clemson players. Clemson has had a lot of DL players in the past decade or so go pro and go in the first round. I have to say, this current group at Clemson is the least impressive bunch to come out of Clemson. Woods never lived up to his hype at Clemson.
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I've said it before re: Dalton, if he's that good in a mentor role just bring him on to the coaching staff. As a player, he's done.
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Tampa's remaining schedule
DaveThePanther2008 replied to DaveThePanther2008's topic in Carolina Panthers
One of the last times we played Tampa in Carolina at Christmas time I was home and went to the game. This was the game Cam had a 50+ yard run to glory. One of the greatest highlights in Panther history. Hopefully, we have another great moment or two this time. -
ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option
Jackson113.2 replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
The Tarheel Glazers on here will tell you that Howell is the second coming of Peyton Manning, it gets old after a while... -
Same. Don't understand that at all.
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Dane Brugler’s panthers mock pick
UNCrules2187 replied to raleigh-panther's topic in Carolina Panthers
This won't be the pick simply because the Panthers refuse to draft Clemson players -
Off-target/bad balls generally don't meet the criteria for a drop. I mean two things can be true. The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year.....and Lawrence can be headache. Trevor is below league average in bad throw % though. Bryce as always, above it despite playing less aggressive. I mean, Bryce being at the top in bad throw % is the really wild part because he isn't playing aggressive dumb ball look so many QBs are willing to. I feel Bryce Young people are fixated on Trevor being a thing to use....but it just is too forced. I mean, they have being a bad picks in common but that's it.
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Yeah, that's a bit "out there" for me
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Bryce might be the most frustrating player we've ever had.
CPantherKing replied to OneBadCat's topic in Carolina Panthers
Clutch gene? But in 3 years the Panthers haven't had a 3 game winning streak. These next 4 games will determine if the Panthers carved out a franchise QB for the next decade or sealed their fate as runner-ups in the NFC as they parted ways from the success staring the Panthers in the face in 2022. For perspective, Kerry Collins (95, 96, 97), Rodney Peete (02), Jake Delhomme (03, 04, 05, 06, 08), Cam Newton (12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18), Kyle Allen (19), Bridgewater (20), Darnold (21) all led the Panthers to at least a 3 game winning streak. Beuerlein couldn't do it and was replaced by Lewis/Weinke. Delhomme failed to do it one year and was replaced with Clausen. Bryce hasn't done it for 3 consecutive seasons & he is suppose to be better than all of them? Standards are way too low for Bryce. -
Not worried about "living anything down". I have bad takes. We all do I just about always argue for a three year threshold on head coaches, GMs and others (Matt Rhule being an exception) because things change and building a winner takes time. Now, if you wanna just toss anybody that doesn't lead you to a Super Bowl in their first season, you can certainly do that...but that's how you become the Browns, Raiders, Gruden, etc. Some fans will claim they disapprove of that approach, yet at the same time that's exactly how they navigate their fanhood. The trick is to automatically go into "he sucks" mode if he's not an overnight sensation. That way if he does end up failing, you can point back and brag about being right But for that to genuinely be true, you have to be able to point back to actual substantive statements. "He sucked and I knew it" doesn't qualify. Me? I don't care to brag about my good takes or deny my bad ones. In a public forum, what would be the point? There Is one piece of guidance I would suggest for you though... Attacking the source of an argument is usually a pretty good indicator that you're not capable of actually winning the debate with valid, substantive points and information. Is that where we're at? If you wanna say it isn't, then uou're gonna need to present an actual, intelligent argument to prove it. "He sucks", "he's the worst ever", "everybody can see I'm right" and so on...yeah sorry. Those don't meet the criteria.
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He is just a wild, TO prone gunslinger. That's not particularly valued in the NFL in this era.
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A player to watch this weekend is CJ Allen, ILB from Georgia. He’s a mid to late 1st rounder or early 2nd who is a major ballhawk and tackling machine.
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Pookie bear Young getting his 5 year
Mr Mojo Risin replied to Jackson113.2's topic in Carolina Panthers
I'm happy we're winning games and Bryce has contributed in some of them and hopefully is not going to be an all-time bust for us. Every young QB is different. Some hit the ground running, some look like poo and improve later or in different scenarios and some guys never get it. I think we're at the point where we don't need to do anything drastic at the QB spot like we did to get Young in the first place. I think we DEFINITELY need to do what others have mentioned. Sign a QB that can play in case Young has another episode of trash football player and draft a Young guy (no pun) on day 2 or 3 to sit and learn or play later on if we implode with Young. We have to have a real life contingency plan next season. That can't be ignored again. -
It is interesting how the games changed over the past 10-15 years. I mainly started watching football in like 2010 or so. I feel like every week there were QBs throwing for 400+, 300 yards was a pedestrian day it felt like. Now even the best qbs dont throw for 300 super often it feels.
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ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option
mrcompletely11 replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
I dont necessarily disagree just really curious as to why that is? He either must be a dunce, a bad teammate or must be horrendous in practice because I thought he showed promise at least in his 2nd year -
ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option
mrcompletely11 replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
Its AI but here goes nothing: Trevor Lawrence's catchable ball statistics vary by situation, with his highest rate being 74.1%74.1 % 74.1% in a clean pocket and his lowest on deep balls at 41.2%41.2 % 41.2% . When pressured, his catchable pass rate is 51.6%51.6 % 51.6% , and it's 55.2%55.2 % 55.2% on play-action plays. Lawrence has also been impacted by a high receiver drop rate, which makes it appear as if he is more inaccurate than he is. Catchable pass rate by situation Clean pocket: 74.1%74.1 % 74.1% (ranks 28th out of 32 quarterbacks) Deep balls: 41.2%41.2 % 41.2% (ranks 23rd out of 32 quarterbacks) When pressured: 51.6%51.6 % 51.6% (ranks 15th out of 32 quarterbacks) On play action: 55.2%55.2 % 55.2% (ranks 28th out of 32 quarterbacks) Red zone: 65.1%65.1 % 65.1% (ranks 15th out of 32 quarterbacks) When blitzed: 69.2%69.2 % 69.2% (ranks 19th out of 32 quarterbacks) Compared to: Bryce Young's catchable ball stats vary by situation, with a high catchable pass rate of 73.2%73.2 % 73.2% in a clean pocket (30th in the NFL) and a 60%60 % 60% rate on deep throws (20+ air yards), which was 10th in the NFL in 2024. However, his pressured and blitzed catchable rates were lower at 39.7%39.7 % 39.7% (31st) and 60.3%60.3 % 60.3% (29th), respectively. By situation Clean pocket: 73.2%73.2 % 73.2% catchable pass rate (30th in NFL) Deep ball (20+ air yards): 60%60 % 60% catchable pass rate (10th in NFL in 2024) Pressure: 39.7%39.7 % 39.7% catchable pass rate (31st in NFL) Blitzed: 60.3%60.3 % 60.3% catchable pass rate (29th in NFL) Red zone: 62.5%62.5 % 62.5% catchable pass rate (22nd in NFL) -
Same slant as before, dude. Look, it doesn't matter what mental gymnastics you apply to the story. You cannot remove Bryce from being a part of why we won these games. He did his job. In some games better than others? Yes, but the end result still matters. The wins are team wins. The losses are team losses And Bryce plays a key role in the team. Like I said earlier, continue arguing that he should be replaced. I'm doing that as well. But denying reality doesn't help your argument. It actually weakens it.
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I think the league has largely spoken on Howell. He didn't end up a 3rd string QB accidentally. Same as Winston.
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Tampa's remaining schedule
mrcompletely11 replied to DaveThePanther2008's topic in Carolina Panthers
that truly sucks -
How many of those drops are off target throws which Lawrence is near the top in?
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KC was winning as well and they were still like "fug this, he sucks get a replacement stat"
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Been in competitive sports all my life. Not been my experience ever.
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Sure you did buddy, you are never going to live that down arguing with folks that Fitterer was a good gm. I mean that was your shtick for a good year when it was plain as day he fuging sucked. Time or not he fuging sucked and it still shows to this day and you are really going to say with a straight face you didnt defend him at every turn? come on man just own it, we have the receipts you know
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ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option
mrcompletely11 replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
I am assuming this is true. And its kindof crazy that there hasnt really been a story about why Howell cannot stay on a roster. 2023 Sam Howell had to throw upwards of 50 times a game and 84% of his balls were catchable. Of his 612 attempts, 84% were catchable. (According to sports info solutions) EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT. That’s with the defense knowing he was going to pass. No run game. No defense having to respect play action. An atrocious offensive line. 84%. He was sacked 65 times. -
Wrong. I said he needed more time. That was until it came out that he'd been undermining Reich. At that point, I said toss him.
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