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They've literally already clipped it into a tiktok ad lol. I'm just finding out there's a full video.

That is counter to my logic processor. We talking footwork, leg drive, I get it. If he is just talking about arm motion, I don’t get it. I want to know more because we have a guy that needs to know about this more velocity patch. Counter intuitive to what I always thought. I can see making a more efficient motion to save wear and tear, get a quicker release, that kind of stuff. I wasn’t aware there was a way to get more velocity outside of having your base straight and in synch. I am not saying it’s wrong just that I am surprised. I don’t know enough to be a lot skeptical, but I’m maybe a little skeptical.

I just think he's tired of getting the hell beat out if him behind trash tier OLs. Hard to blame him for that. At some point, I think he's either going to retire early or force his way out of there if they don't get it fixed.

The only source for Bryce's deep attempts I can find anywhere is Grok in reply to the original tweet: Bryce Young's approx. 46-50 deep pass attempts (20+ yards) in 2025 ranked among the lowest for starting QBs, around 28th-30th overall per PFF and fan analyses, with leaders like Matthew Stafford and Dak Prescott exceeding 70. His efficiency led the league despite lower volume. https://x.com/grok/status/2022067774499987744 So I ask again, who would you say was the best deep ball thrower of the season? Bryce at 99.7% with some of the fewest attempts in the league, or the league leader in attempts just below him at 98.7%? Because PFF crowned Bryce and conveniently left out the context that would dispute their claim.

Going into the season? No. But it's easy to see how that could change quickly during the season. All I'm gonna say is he better improve that QB room. If Bryce reverts back to "pre-improved" Bryce Canales might not be here in '27. If I was him I'd want a legitimate fallback plan.

FWIW The Athletic just did power rankings. Seattle/Rams 1/2 Panthers 13th Bucs 18th Atlanta 20th Saints 24th

Anything under .500 should definitely be grounds for firing. 10 wins should be enough to get the monkey off his back.. Problem is, I don't think we have the right QB to win 10 games. I think this will be DC's last year in Carolina and BY loses his job after this year.

Gotcha, I see what you're saying. But I'd think they'd be trying to get on another team's payroll instead of Carolina's. If this is a new stat, then I could agree. If this is an existing calculation that hasn't changed its variables, then my point still stands. And they likely wouldn't rate him so low on other calculations.

He even changed his motion after his rookie year to add more velocity in his throws. Seems to be a pretty smart QB who is going to figure things out.

Not really to be honest as frustrating as he can be sometimes. Big picture he's not on the hot seat unless 2026 is a disaster.

That's what sold me on Burrow in college. You could tell he didn't have a big arm by NFL standards but what set hin apart was that he can throw the same ball whether he's standing in a clean pocket or running for his life. There's seemingly no drop off in velocity or accuracy.

Yeah I'd lean towards it just being a flawed stat that relies too much on opinions vs strict data. I've always thought deep passes were more of a WR stat anyway. Most QBs, (even Bryce). can get the ball out 20 plus yards. Arm strength really shows up for players like Mahomes and Allen when they can make these off balance throws while evading pressure that still come out as bullets on the money.

The team is still in a tough spot. I think a competent GM/HC could do everything right and still only get 7-9 games next year. Hopefully we’ll get better after moving on but the Bryce trade and Bryce himself are still limiting the team.

Lol Atlanta looks to have lost their young edge rusher, has no 1st round pick, a complete mess at QB, a new coaching staff… And we swept them this year. Says what they think of us.

I mean, you can only go so far with the propping up. When a guy's numbers are as bad overall as Bryce's you have to try to find specific niches to sell. It's just funny that they're honing in on where he's probably weakest to try to prop him up. Whether it's a pro-Bryce conspiracy or not, it echos my chief complaint about PFF's analysis for years. When your purely statistical analysis badly skews from the eye test of actually watching the games, it should be screaming at you that you need to modify your system not double down on it. PFF is awesome at compiling stats but their grade systems are highly flawed and they never seem to try to improve them.

Then why is Byce also last in other PFF stats? The deep ball thrower stat by PFF can simply be flawed vs some conspiracy trying to prop up a QB on a team that a former employee now works for. Both of these guys were also hired AFTER the Panthers had already drafted Bryce. Trying to prop him up with a made up stat while he struggled would be a detriment to their own team honestly.

Thats not what im saying. The allure of getting on that Tepper payroll does.

So FORMER employees influence your current analysis? Honestly sounds a little conspiracy theory like to me. But it's possible I guess.

USA Today has us last. NFC South Tampa Bay Buccaneers: +125 New Orleans Saints: +360 Atlanta Falcons: +375 Carolina Panthers: +380 2025 results:Panthers (8-9), Buccaneers (8-9), Falcons (8-9), Saints (6-11)

No reason?

This is what I mean. I am not some huge BY fan. I honestly don't look at QBs the way a lot of you guys do. Right or wrong, I've always looked at them as just another cog in the machine. Didn't want BY or even a trade up for a QB in 2023. We saw in the Super Bowl how important the rest of the team is on any given Sunday. Now... so PFF, who has no reason to prop up BY, says he's first in 2 stat lines and Panthers "fans" are arguing why it's either wrong or a made up stat just to make BY look good. Even though they have multiple stat lines where he's literally last in. Like 32nd in the NFL. Some he's even lower than 32. Take a step back. Try to objectively self analyze. This is just not sensible. Same thing I see with other teams' fans and their QBs though. We analyze every single throw on every single play. For every other QB, most here are only using highlights to judge. Makes a difference. We saw Stafford miss throws when they played Carolina - both games. We saw Love throw crap up when they played Carolina. We saw Dak miss throws when they played Carolina - and Pickens was putting on a SHOW. We saw Josh Allen win a game with 163 yards passing against Carolina, but if BY does it he's crap and can't pass for 200 yards. Gents... come on.

None of us think we're contenders this season but no reason we're doomed to 5 or 6 wins either. Dan has to have another 2025- like draft class and at least 2 key free agent signings. We're not Seattle but they don't win without 5 starters from their last 2 draft classes and Darnold and Lawrence in free agency. Alas, we'll have to wait one more season for a QB upgrade.

I've got nothing else to say really than: Ayup. Here we are again. Again. All we can really hope for is progress. If we improve as much again, it'll be good. If we don't, it'll be foretold.

I'm still hesitant to think we would replace Canales. Bryce goes first, Canales gets an extra year to prove it after the fact IMO. But...all the more reason I *think* we're playing this the right way. Keep building the team this year, and then drop a 2027 QB in on his rookie deal, or if we can make a move for a legit Burrow level guy, the team is theoretically built and ready to contend right away.