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I bet Young did a little more football stuff this off-season. Or at least one would hope...

I think ideally with Warren you're looking at a Jason Witten type guy. He's not a guy that wows you athletically, he just does everything right and despite not wowing you, at the end of the game and the end of the season he's put up good numbers and had a big impact. The issue is that most of these guys turn out to not be Jason Witten. They project more as solid to good starters but they won't turn out to be future HOFers like Witten. Panthers fans love Wesley Walls and for good reason, but would you want Wesley Walls with a top 10 pick? I honestly think that Colston Loveland has the higher ceiling of the two.

The experts seem to love him. Personally, I haven't heard one GM, coach or national talking head say he's overrated. Those in the know sing his praises. I haven't researched him because I don't see the Panthers drafting him.

Warren is a better prospect than Olsen, IMO. Not saying he'll be as good a player, but purely as a prospect I'd rank him higher than Olsen.

Bowers was a 1st round tallent and even he didn't go top 10. Warren's speed and size will not be the positives they were in school. People have just fallen in love with a typical 2nd round TE in a draft lacking talent at the top. Even Olsen was a late 1st and he was quicker than Warren.

God, our recent drafting has been sooooo bad. LOL

My mind wants to say Jeanty is overrated because he doesn't look like an imposing player. However, you can't crap on what he's accomplished this past season. Almost breaking Barry Sanders all-time record. That speaks for itself.

This is looking like more specifically a jaguars thing. They want to get Lawrence more help and don't need a running back. Some teams don't even have tet top 15-20

It explains why this team is sub .500. Get a franchise QB in 2011 and miss on every other pick. Don't agree with 2011 being 3rd but with that much yuck it's not worth arguing over.

Is it Thursday yet?

Also, Stew is GOAT. So GTFO with that.

I like Jeanty but it's hard to imagine him having more impact than Bijan Robinson, who was pretty underwhelming as a rookie. A good player but not the type of impact you were hoping for with a top pick.

So you're comparing Sam LaPorta to Hunter Henry and Freiermuth? I watched enough of Penn State to know that Warren is closer to Kelci in terms of fluid movement than any of them. That is why he is rated as highly as he is. Give the mini-Mahomes his Kelci. If we had listened to me in 2023 none of this would be necessary but here we are.

A huge chunk of the early guys are overrated and just filling the void of top talent in this draft. Doesn't make them bad players but comparing them to other drafts is going to look like bad value. Also don't draft a RB in the 1st still....especially when this draft is loaded with RB talent later.

Historically the Hurney era was pretty darn good in the 1st. The Ravens were probably the only team that was consistently better.

I disagree with a lot of those rankings, 07, 04 and 13 are too low. It’d take too long to redo it but I’d have fun making my own.

We have to be bottom 5 in the league at draft success. It's miserable to look at that. So much to the point that I had to stop reading the list when it got ugly - which for me, was #3 lol. Yes, Cam was a homerun but also number 1 pick. The rest of that draft...yikes.

I swear if I see one more idiot that posts something like this and doesn't check what year I joined this forum... He literally averaged less than 3.5 ypc the year I created this profile and had some really bad fumbles that cost us games. Yet... this organization thought it was a better idea to keep giving him the rock than give CMC more touches his rookie year. Pretty sure everyone on this forum with half a brain cell knew he was washed... Sorry, everyone except you. You said we need (what I presume to be) an elite TE if you want us taking Warren at eight to address "Bryce's glaring needs". We just invested about 150 million in the oline and he had one of the best olines last year. It isn't really realistic we keep spending every dollar we have and every high draft pick we have on offense while our defense continues to set records for futility. If we trade down and take Warren in the 20s, I can live with it. Using a top 8 pick on a guy I have a late 1st round grade on while doubly not drafting at a position of need is the kind of crap I expect our front office to do sadly. And you say Kelce, Olsen, and Witten aren't getting open on athleticism yet fail to mention that all 3 of them are/were elite route runners t. Warren's route running is not great (as of right now) and is something he is going to have to work a ton on. Those 3 dudes also got drafted nowhere near #8, which really argues my point of you can find good tight ends in later rounds. This draft is very deep at tight end. At the end of the day, I think Warren is closer in current ability to tight ends along the line of Kincaid, LaPorta, Freiermuth, Hunter Henry, etc. than he is Bowers, Pitts (up this high because of freakish athleticism), and Tony Gonzalez. Those 3 justifiably should have been top 10 picks in the draft.

Ranking 2024 is nothing more than an opinion at this point

This is the time of year for optimism, but if we can go 4-5 with a crappy defense without Brown and Thompson, with weak Safeties and terrible DL--mediocre at best LBs--no pass pressure to speak of---then I think we can win 8 or 9 IF BRYCE CONTINUES TO IMPROVE.

Wow. Doesn't even tell the whole story since we are still paying for the '23 class this year.

I thought 2021 seemed high lol i thought 2004 seemed low at 19. 2018 should be closer to the bottom. do not get 2014 at 12 either. Not as bad overall drafting as i expected.

I think we are going with Sanders, and I think he is going to be decent to good.

I would say 4-7 wins is likely the expectation.

Cam is our greatest player but he alone shouldn’t bring that draft class up to #3. 2021 at 16 seems a little low.