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I'm so glad he didn't want to be here

I pray not.

31:54 hears Panthers are most likely to trade down. Shows them taking Nolan as a place holder.

When Scott Fitterer got behind a microphone and gushed over Ian Thomas I knew we were cooked.

I did hear a new report. One team has followed him for two full years, Im talking going to each games and remaining at arms length. The giants have done the most research on him, BY FAR. The issue is if they pass on him at 3, many other teams will follow. He's all over the map in terms of ranks. Anywhere from top 5 to late 3rd. I forgot where who what, but one assistant coach thats being in the league for a long time, said sanders had the worst interview he's been a part of. He under-dressed Sanders with entitlement and taking needless sacks= no chance at NFL success. He wrapped it up by saying "he's simply not good" is his main problem over the other issues.

My biggest take is the big picture approach and recognizing the known pitfalls. Look at the money, look at the value but realize the situation. I was impressed too. Fritts was part of thr trade back school for sure. He just had no positives as a GM. I can't remember one.

This is the draft you trade up in, conventional wisdom plus statistics and analytics say you trade back in a normal draft. Where normal drafts have 16 players with first round grades... This one has maybe 8 depending on the team you speak with. If you can't trade up, you trade way back... like out of the first round all together way back. It's the only way the capital ends up being worth a move back for 95% of teams under normal circumstances.

Claim him, I know Dan wants to do IT, so DO IT!! https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks-waive-nt-cameron-young

Just finished it, and this was a great video. The other one I linked has some similar findings in it. Fitterer definitely subscribed to some of this, but he couldn't evaluate talent. It doesn't matter how many at bats you get if you strike out 100% of the time.

Well, we could bump old threads and plenty agreed at the time…..a team with the holes we had and our trajectory going forward didn’t really need to draft a handsy man corner with a top 10 pick. It just isn’t that impactful vs other spots/aspects like investing in a pass rush or a passing game when you have neither. Jayce Horn doesn’t have the work put in to have the title of premier DB. Health is likely a reason. Maybe the reason. But to be a premier corner you have to of actually put in the work and have the resume vs the QB/WRs on Sunday. Do I think he is a top corner if healthy? Probably. Still think it was a bad pick given what we were and a bad extension given his health/availability. I’m not betting on him turning into an iron man corner because we paid him. He gets hurt week 1 and not a soul on this board will be shocked. Health is weird. Some dudes just can’t stay healthy. Some are iron men. The unexplainable is what it is of sports. I concede the Panthers got forced into a spot with that where they were forced to overpay

One of the bigger reasons for his rise is draft people listening to this report- https://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/ole-miss/2024/08/08/ole-miss-football-pete-golding-walter-nolen-quinnen-williams-alabama/74658977007/ Quinn Williams was drafted 3rd overall. That 2019 draft is much better than this 2025 one. Nolen is thought to be a better williams. If that's the case, buckle up..... With the current information flowing in, its starting to feel like (<insert old draft joke>) Nolen will not even make it 8.

Conventionally this isn’t a normal draft. Normal rules don’t apply. There is no discernible difference between prospects from picks 5 to 100. Ward, Hunter, Carter, Warren, Jeanty. And two of those are a TE and RB…gasp… I would rather take us Carson Schwesinger at 8 than Mykel Williams…wouldn’t even feel bad about it. Same thing for Derrick Harmon over Nolen. EZ over Walker. Simmons over Esery. The point is it doesn’t matter what other people rank player 10 and player 30 if the team feels they are even. I don’t think we should get fleeced but if you give up a point or two in value…this the year to do it. I normally hate trading down, but the sweet spot is where it is.

He did another great video on the draft a while ago. highly recommend.

Same thing really

Oops that was TMJ. My bad

Currently Nolen is top ten lava hot. One of the better Dallas reporter swore Nolen would not make it past Dallas.

Instead of taking impact player at 37 we dropped to 57 to take that guy and we trade him in two years

Not only does it work EXACTLY like that, sometimes it's 4D chess being played by the team making those calls. Was just listening to a show the other day where they were talking to a former front office person and they said that teams do this all the time leading into the draft. In an instance like this, I could absolutely see a scenario where we've fallen in love with a player and some other teams know it and we're afraid of someone a few picks behind us who we know is also interested in said player, might be looking to trade up ahead of us, maybe with the Jets, to take them before we do. By being so overt and open about trying to trade back, it might make that team think we're actually going to do it. And because of most draft day trades don't get made until that pick is on the clock, so us not making a trade before the draft starts won't be a signal that we're keeping it, that then trading up ahead of us to get this specific player won't be necessary anymore, so they stand pat, and in the end, we take the guy we wanted and our "bluff" worked. This would be a much more effective strategy to hide who we want to take at 8 than to send smoke screens of other players, as making a lot of calls about trading back and that info "leaking to other teams" would be much more effective than trying to get draft analysts saying they're hearing we like X, Y, or Z other players a lot to throw teams off the scent of who we really like.

I have a gut feeling that Pittsburgh will pass on him, because they don't like him. Cleveland will take him with their 2nd round pick and feel like they got a legendary draft class. Like when they double dipped years ago and got Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden. Incredible draft value. The future had been secured. Everyone lived happily ever after.

Id say in the past few years verge has made some predictions and was on the money. I cannot stress how hard it is to be right or close to right on draft guesses. Vastly more than not, verge dropped some correct statements. Many of those names are linked to Panthers from various visits and reports from other sources. @Verge what ended up with that old source you used? I think it was an area scout from Indy. Plus I thought you "retired" from these type of threads(mainly cause of donkeys...) For me this is one of the double double tricks to ruse you to fool everyone type of deals. I can not get over Dave and others commenting/drooling on Walker as a player/leader. It's just sus as all hell. Now we are going to find out if verges smokescreen sources were given mis-leading information or did the national media get lazier with repeating "Panthers absolutely love jalon walker". Small part of me believes Panthers do in fact want walker, BUT the dominant side of me is reminded of the last few years of out-comes..

There's smoke that the 49ers would take Nolen at 11.

I dont think it works like that for various reasons

If that’s true then that’s a great way to blow up any kind of deal. I’d never call them again. There has to be some expected confidentiality.

I was just using him as a recent late rounder all pro, his college production was fine however. I know the further you get in the draft the lower the chances of hitting get, I was just being a dick.