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Well we won 5 games and it took the worst defense in NFL history to do that. IF we can stay relatively healthy and Bryce plays just like he did (not even saying better) after the benching you could arguably debate 9-10 wins. I wouldn't hold my breath but I wouldn't be shocked. The defensive improvement should be remarkable actually. Same corners, new dline, DB's return, updated safeties, same LB's ...+ the Dline's improvement should make every position about 25% better. If that's good enough to stop atleast 2 touchdowns more than we were able to last season then yea we're about to suprise alot of people imho.

The Sanders family's problem is that they raised Shedeur to have the exact same mindset and persona as Deion, and then used Deion as the example as to why it's not a problem. Even in that public interview at the combine, he gave some answer like, "do you know who my dad was and the things they said about him and he was still a HOFer?" The problem is his dad was a CB and sometimes a WR, the two positions in the NFL where not only nobody cares if you have that outward persona, in many cases it's something teams look for because WRs and CBs need to have that mentality out there on an island. His interview answer that's been going around about where you see yourself in 5 years, and his response of being Mayor of that town and laughing is a perfect example of it. There is no issue if that's your QB's mentality, we all know how Cam was. The problem is there is a different between mentality and outward persona, and that just flat out doesn't work for a QB to have that persona, Cam didn't even do it. There are a lot of QB's who have that mindset, in particular, Burrow right now strikes me as that kind of guy. But he still knows how to flip that QB Switch and tones it back when speaking publicly and is able to be the face of the franchise. Shedeur and Deion never seemed to grasp that for some reason, and it's a problem.

This is where I am at, before I see what they show on the field. 5-9 wins The main deal and difference is Coaches right now. The talent is on the low end, * but its enough for them to compete. Evero this is your time and guess what Mr. former #1 overall, its time for you too. The saving grace is this piss poor NFC south. The fuging Yucs have won 4 str with 9-10 win season type of plays, feasting on this weak 6 game schedule. With some Luck panther *could* win 9 or 10 and steal a playoff game too. The truth is this is the 2nd year(really 1.5) into full 3 year rebuild. *After 2026 the cap should be fixed and the team shhhhoooould have some talent, young talent. Many will be in their prime years- dbrown, horn, hunt, BY, lewis, icky, moehrig etc. Then brooks(pray), Wallace, sanders, 2025&2026 draft class will fill in the remaining spots.

T-Mac is legit… amazing route runner and all hand catches. Anyone who knows anything about football knows he has the tools to be legit. He just need to stay focused. Both T-Mac and Legette are a nightmare 1 on 1. There’s zero chance any team will put 9 in the box and we are run first team with 3 starting quality backs. Offense will be fun to watch.

This isn't exactly true considering Moss put up THE BEST SEASON OF HIS CAREER THAT YEAR. Moss just didn't play hard for losers.

First on T-Mac, I 100% expect him to be the top WR from this class, however I think expecting him to put up 1k+ as a rookie isn't necessarily fair, especially since you're putting it in perspective of how many other rookie WRs have done that in recent years. And Thielen is the reason for that. Not many (if any) of those 1k+ rookies had someone like Thielen there when they were drafted, and no matter how good T-Mac is this year, Bryce is still going to lean on his existing chemistry with Thielen unless he's drastically lost a step this offseason and just can't get open like he's been able to in his career. As I pointed out in another thread the other day, looking at MHJ last year is the way to look at T-Mac's season if Thielen plays a full and healthy season. MHJ had McBride "steal" 110+ catches and 1,100+ yards in what was a pass happy offense (Kyler was 9th in the league in attempts), it's going to be hard for any rookie to put up more than the 800ish yards he had last year in that scenario. Especially if we follow a similar game plan to last year and be a run heavy team. In terms of XL, you're completely right, jumping up to get a project 2/3 isn't smart, and if we knew we needed a future slot from that pick, yes, Ladd would have been a much better pick. But at this point, those are all sunk costs, even taking T-Mac at 8 is now considered a sunk cost. Forgetting the past or who we maybe should have taken last year now knowing future roles, I still think T-Mac, XL, Coker can be one of the Top 1-3 WR rooms in the NFL in a few years, I honestly think they really do have that potential in them.

Maybe we should have just drafted a corner? Crazy, I know. One of the few positions we knew had to be addressed in the draft and nadda.

Love his story. I'll be rooting for him!

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Yeah but jumping up in the draft to get a project #2/3 WR is just plain not smart. I am down on XL because the thought was that he could be a potential #1 WR and he has been anything but that so far. Also, the idea of him as a slot is even more upsetting because you pass on several more productive slot guys(McConkey being the most obvious) that were TREMENDOUSLY more NFL ready. I was not a fan of the XL move at the time and I am not a fan of the decision in short term hindsight either. He is just simply going to have to be a guy that proves it on the field to me. McMillian was my #1 WR in this draft and I was a pro-McMillian guy. However, he isn't gonna get treated with baby gloves either. We are in the era of rookie WR's putting up 1k+ yd seasons with regularity. He's going to(barring injury) have to be one of the top 2 or 3 WR's in this class in terms of production. And that's being very generous to him. He really needs to be THE guy from this class. It isn't like he is gonna have a lot of guys taking catches away from him.

Thought this was an interesting moment of candor. See the 2:00 min mark. TD said he made the decision that he wanted T-Mac as our 1st round pick back in January. Dan chimed in and said he made the decision early as well (indicating the same time frame).

"People that are as flexible as gymnasts, as quick as sprinters and built like sumo wrestlers" "To play American football you need a toughness about you and to be a great athlete, and I feel like I had some of those aspects. "I like contact and playing the physical sport. "Playing soccer, I was strong, quick and loved headers so looking back at it I was playing the wrong sport.

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/13072766/mapalo-maz-mwansa-nfl-international-player-pathway/

I mean it's not that insane. Moss' best days were behind him and he wanted a new contract. They acquired Randy Moss for a 4th rounder, and then got a 3rd from Minnesota when they were done with him.

Horrible situation for everyone close to both these young folks. He'll make a fine Raven someday if he doesn't get too much jail time.

damn...if we don't have room can we bring him in for the Saints and Falcons games?

I remember the Shelby’s crowd in Denver in 2013-2015. Good times. Met PhillyB once but he was pretty shy and didn’t want to hang with my crazy Boston friends I had with me, so he bought us shots and waived from afar in his wool blazer like some weirdo.

Time to shove our pig fat pig d*** in their red devil a**holes.

I think taking T-Mac changes how to look at XL and the season he had, especially in retrospect. If you look at his rookie season from the viewpoint of "we traded into the 1st round to take him as our #1 WR of the future" then yea, he had a god awful rookie season and I'd be scared about his future. But we've now drafted T-Mac, it allows us to now go back and look at XL's rookie season in a totally different light. XL was a late bloomer, essentially having only one college season of experience, he was always going to be VERY raw last year. If we knew at the time that one year later, we'd have a true #1 and XL "only needs to be a future #2 and potentially doing it from a power slot position" then I'm not so sure he had all that bad of a rookie season. Because he still had 49 catches for 500 yards and 4 TDs, which really is a pretty darn good rookie season for a player as raw as XL was/is, especially when you consider the QB struggles we had last year, and even once Bryce turned things around a bit, we were still a run based team and Bryce's stats were anything but mind-blowing. Personally, I think it's one of those situations where people are too focused on the negatives with XL and not seeing all the positives and potential he has given how raw he still is. Which is where viewing him as a future #2 vs #1 makes all the difference in the world in looking back on his rookie season and projecting his future role/ability. If he's worked on his craft and cuts back on his drops, it's very reasonable to think he could be a 70 catch, 800 yards, and 5 TD type of player for us in year 3 when he's the #2 after Thielen is gone. How many teams have that type of talent as their #2 WR behind a guy putting up 1,200+ and 10 on a yearly basis as their #1 as I fully expect T-Mac to be doing? Then if Coker also improves slightly and is kicking in 600-700 yards himself, then you've built yourself a Top 5 WR room.

Mel Kiper's long illustrious history would also indicate that neither does Mel Kiper. It's almost like this poo isn't an exact science or something and that there's a lot of different variables that go into whether or not a guy is successful. It's just that according to Mel Kiper, everyone else is an idiot and he's perfect. LOL

Pats traded randy moss to aquire Ryan Mallett. Insane. Guess Mel Kiper was right. NFL doesn't know how to evaluate quarterbacks

This. Both were dumb and disrespectful of the pre-draft process in different ways. You're going on job interviews for potentially massive multi-million dollar gigs. Don't go out and get hammered the night before and if they send you a sampling of the playbook put in some time to get to know it.